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Old July 6th, 2013, 12:26 AM   #5461
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T3 used to be a tunnel in Liguria, Bargagli-Ferriere.
https://www.google.it/maps?saddr=SS2...sz=14&t=m&z=14

Now it's just part of SS225.
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Old July 6th, 2013, 07:26 PM   #5462
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GIO'1, from the Italian thread, informed us that also other tangenziali (A50, A51 and A52) around Milan are signed only with their name, not the number. Probabily TEEM will receive a number, but it will not be signed.
The numbers do appear on signs, for instance here. But it's not a lot of them. You probably only see them at the entry points of the tangenziali, not from within town. Numbers like A1, A4, A7 and A8 on the other hand are well signposted within Milan itself. Basically, signs in Milan referring to one of those big motorways use those numbers only but hardly ever focal points like Torino, Venezia or Bologna. For the ring roads, it's "tangenziali" but no number.

And of course, like throughout Italy, the number will not be repeated once you are on the route itself.
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Old July 6th, 2013, 08:09 PM   #5463
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http://www.3bmeteo.com/traffico/a92
A92 Roma - Civitavecchia?
Maybe because the A12 is split into two and that site's software cannot handle two motorways with the same number? (by the way, A12 was A16 in the past, today's A16 being A17)

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There are also the T-roads, or better saying, tunnels. I think T1 is Monte Bianco, T2 is the Gran San Bernando, T4 is Frejus.
Note that these letters denotes roads, not tunnels, although most of these roads are inside the respective tunnels. For instance T2 denotes also the new ~8 km access road covered with the snow shelter, but not the Swiss part of the Gran San Bernardo tunnel. Another example was the T3, which was not only the tunnel, but the whole stretch below:

https://www.google.it/maps?saddr=SS2...sz=14&t=m&z=14

When the T3 number was used, the SP77 was called SS225. The whole T3 was tolled, and that explain why it had this number (it had in some ways a motorway status).
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Old July 6th, 2013, 08:24 PM   #5464
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road numbers often go crazy in Italy

here is one example:
https://www.google.hr/maps/preview#!...5!4f13.1&fid=5
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Old July 6th, 2013, 09:02 PM   #5465
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Nice

In many spots around Latina and Terracina, A2 is signposted (the old denomination for current A1 Rome-Naples until late 80s)...
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Old July 6th, 2013, 09:47 PM   #5466
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In many spots around Latina and Terracina, A2 is signposted (the old denomination for current A1 Rome-Naples until late 80s)...
i have posted somewhere a photo of A2 indication in norhern suburbs of Napoli
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Old July 6th, 2013, 10:26 PM   #5467
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Where did they get the prefix "T" from? A tunnel in Italian is galleria, not tunel or tunnel.
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Where did they get the prefix "T" from? A tunnel in Italian is galleria, not tunel or tunnel.
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Tunnel is also used. Traforo refers only to long tunnels below a mountain chain (also railway tunnels).
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"Traforo" is an ancient term and usually not anymore used as a synonym of "tunnel", while "tunnel" itself is becoming more and more used. When it is (rarely) used "traforo" is now used for very long tunnels.

Note that in French "galerie" denotes usually the artificial tunnels used for example as snow sheds, and in Italian "galleria" is used also in the sense as "art gallery" as in English ("galleria d'arte").
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Old July 6th, 2013, 10:59 PM   #5472
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"Traforo" is an ancient term and usually not anymore used as a synonym of "tunnel", while "tunnel" itself is becoming more and more used. When it is (rarely) used "traforo" is now used for very long tunnels.

Note that in French "galerie" denotes usually the artificial tunnels used for example as snow sheds, and in Italian "galleria" is used also in the sense as "art gallery" as in English ("galleria d'arte").
in everyday-speaking do you use more galleria or tunnel? i remember when we learned road terms at italian lesson, my teacher had no idea about the word galleria (ok, she is really not into road terms) for the tunnel
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Many translations for subtitles for television series are movies are also lacking in terms of road-related things. The word "highway" is almost exclusively translated into "snelweg" (motorway) for Dutch subtitles, even when they are clearly not talking about a motorway-style road but just some road. You can see this on Skyscrapercity too by the way, many people use the term "highway" when they mean motorway or freeway, as in "is it only on highways or also on national roads?".
The word highway is very generic and could mean motorway, but does not exclusively has that defintion. The word can be used for pretty much any major road, whether a two-lane rural, 4-lane urban or full motorway.
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Old July 6th, 2013, 11:11 PM   #5474
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Anyway we always refer to Monte Bianco and Frejus as "traforo".
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Motorway is British English I think.
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in everyday-speaking do you use more galleria or tunnel?
I would say 50-50, or maybe 60-40. Personally I have never used "traforo". Maybe in Italy is different because I'm used to words derived from French and German, maybe including a more common use of "tunnel"...
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Monte Bianco is always a traforo in Italy
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Old July 7th, 2013, 12:52 AM   #5478
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I would say 50-50, or maybe 60-40. Personally I have never used "traforo". Maybe in Italy is different because I'm used to words derived from French and German, maybe including a more common use of "tunnel"...
Don't you refer to San Gottardo or San Bernardino as "traforo"? I do
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Yes, so do I. Also Gran Sasso is a Traforo.

It also depends on which part of Italy we consider... Probably in the nort Tunnel is more used.

From what I think, galleria 70 and tunnel 30.
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Old July 7th, 2013, 01:26 AM   #5480
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