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Old July 11th, 2008, 09:34 AM   #541
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Italian motorways have much more objects, like tunnels and bridges. However, the problem in both countries seems to be the non-tolled motorways and expressways. I haven't that much experience in Italy, but the SS36 from Chiavenna to Lecco (at Lake Como) was in disrepair, and I heard similar stories about some other expressways in the region.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 03:03 PM   #542
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Is it just me?

I can't see pag 28 of this thread...

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After posting that I can see it
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Old July 11th, 2008, 03:12 PM   #543
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Italian motorways have much more objects, like tunnels and bridges. However, the problem in both countries seems to be the non-tolled motorways and expressways. I haven't that much experience in Italy, but the SS36 from Chiavenna to Lecco (at Lake Como) was in disrepair, and I heard similar stories about some other expressways in the region.
Not so much experience of France expressways, but the ones I've driven on were quite good


About Italy: sometimes they're good, sometimes bad
For istance, as I previously said in this thread Naples expressways (an impressive netweork) are in bad condition
While always SS36 (the stretch beetween Monza and Giussano in Milan conurbation) is in good condition, with 3 lanes + shoulder and postlamps for the whole run
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Old July 11th, 2008, 06:38 PM   #544
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Bad expressways and "expressways" I know of:

- RA17 (raccordo autostradale ) Villesse - Gorizia (Slovenia)

- SS202 Trieste bypass; pavement is fine, but it's very narrow and the speed limit is 70 km/h, but it's officially an autostrada

- SS33 between Domodossola and A26 (horrible pavement )

A good expressway I know of is the SS35 Milano - Meda. I don't remember the RA03 Firenze - Siena, which means it was fine, I guess. SS16 Cesenatico - Rimini was ok too, I think.
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has anybody any material about quick draining asphalt? It is not a much noticeable feature in ordinary weather but I noticed we've attained some interesting results i.e. moving in from abroad under heavy rain I noticed much less splashing and better visibility. Specs anyone?
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Old July 16th, 2008, 07:26 PM   #546
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According to Autostrade spa official website at the end of 2007 74% of their own web had draining asphalt

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74% POROUS BLACKTOP TO ALEVIATE SPRAY FROM RAIN

In 2007 over 11 million square meters of porous blacktop was laid, 5 times more than in 1999
http://www.autostrade.it/autostrade/...initPosAra=3_3

Highways with draining asphalt in 2006
(it was 65% of the whole web)



http://www.autostrade.it/en/index.html
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Porous Asphalt Concrete. Widely used on nearly all motorways in the Netherlands. I believe the highest percentage in the world.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 08:16 PM   #548
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I'm really, really impressed of all these viaducts.
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According to Autostrade spa official website at the end of 2007 74% of their own web had draining asphalt



http://www.autostrade.it/autostrade/...initPosAra=3_3

Highways with draining asphalt in 2006
(it was 65% of the whole web)



http://www.autostrade.it/en/index.html
Thanks. In most cases it seems like it's not even raining when you enter an Autostrada or most recent orbitals.

And thanks to Chris for his additional info of course.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 12:31 AM   #550
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I love this section. All those new sound barriers and overpases (especially the railway one) are just great. And there's a section with the smoothest pavement I've ever seen.
try it at dusk, with the halogen lights along the top rim of the soundbarriers or doubledecker commuter trains passing overhead. It transmits...I don't know, a sense of...sheer energy. power. Might.

Maybe I'm just exaggerating.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 12:42 AM   #551
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Pavia (70.000 ab) has not a completed ring, but upgraded with the "Tangenziale Nord", a northern section of its expressways system, some months ago.

http://maps.google.it/maps?f=q&hl=it...,0.177841&z=13

It lacks of the southern section.
Quite good. We have a 95% northern bypass and an 85% complete southern bypass (these are rough figures taken as the crow flies) They both are fully operational but lack the final km U/C and under approval respctively to reach the A22 that will serve as Eastern bypass. A22 will be soon upgraded to 2x3-

We seriously miss a Western bypass that would surely solve all traffic problems but should cross nature sanctuary and meets stubborn resistence.
I wish theyìll fnd a compromise and possibly build a lndmark bridge across the river.

City pop. 50.000. Conurbation 120.000
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Old July 17th, 2008, 12:49 AM   #552
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Maybe it looks narrow because of the barriers right next to it. I wouldn't stop my car there for the world.
lotsa trucks and the cumbersome proximity of industrial buildings..all conjure to squash the pictures and make everything look smaller.

Milan's Tangenziale may look like and alley in the day. Try it around 9PM when it's virtually empty and you will notice how broad it ifeels...

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Gee I love this infrastracture section...maybe you guys've noticed...
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Milan's Tangenziale may look like and alley in the day. Try it around 9PM when it's virtually empty and you will notice how broad it ifeels...
True, same for Mestre bypass (old one) at 5 AM. Looks very broad (only rightmost lane is filled with trucks, other two lanes are completely empty), two hours later everything is filled up.
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Thanks. In most cases it seems like it's not even raining when you enter an Autostrada or most recent orbitals.
Obviously data are referred only to 'Autostrade per l'Italia' network... many hignhways are not on this network, burt I would say the percentage of draining asphalt is the same

At contrary I think there are few expressways with draining asphalt
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try it at dusk, with the halogen lights along the top rim of the soundbarriers or doubledecker commuter trains passing overhead. It transmits...I don't know, a sense of...sheer energy. power. Might.
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But it's fun!!!!!
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Old July 22nd, 2008, 12:16 PM   #557
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The railway Genova-La Spezia has been doubled in the past, building new double track tunnels.

The tunnels of the old railway has thus been reused for local roads, with alternate traffic every 20 minutes on a single lane. Some tunnels are short, some are up to 2.5 km in length.

http://www.miol.it/stagniweb/Foto6.a...Righe=50&Col=5

http://www.miol.it/stagniweb/foto6.a...igheI=50&Col=5

http://www.miol.it/stagniweb/foto6.a...igheI=50&Col=5

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I didn't know that... very interesting


Lovely pic...

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Interesting idea.
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PICS BY VYNKCE, dutch forumer of autosnelwegen.nl



Aankondiging brandstofprijzen:


A1 Dir. richting A1:


Afrit Rieti:


Aankondiging tolplein:


Serviceplaats:


Tolplein:


Aankondiging knooppunt A1 dir. met A1:


Knooppunt A1 Firenze - Napels:


Wazige brug op A1 richting Firenze:


2x3 tunnel:


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Afrit Magliano:


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Actuele reistijden, Valdichiana en Arezzo:


Zeer wazige afrit Orvieto:
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