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Old August 1st, 2013, 07:40 PM   #5641
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2x3 lanes on 18 km of A14 Pesaro - Fano. There is now 195 km of continuous 2x3 mecca.

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Old August 1st, 2013, 09:20 PM   #5642
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If I'm correct this means that the entire widening project of A14 down to Porto Sant'elpidio is completed?

I think congestion near Rimini will be significantly reduced, but Bologna - Forli will still be a major problem. This segment has grown into one of the worst summer congestion spots of Europe. TomTom frequently records over 1 hour of delay with near-stationary traffic around Bologna and southeast to Forli on summer weekends.

A widening to 2x4 lanes is planned in the long term. At least in Italy they try to tackle congestion with large-scale expansion, quite unlike France where you pay 50 - 100% higher tolls, but there are far fewer widenings (on the other hand, France did construct more entirely new motorways than Italy in recent years, but they are outrageously tolled, up to € 0.14/km for a flat rural motorway).
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To be fair, in Italy there are a slot of new alignment highways (Pedemontana, BreMeMi, Passante di Mestre, A31/A28) on the Po plains and nearby areas.

However, congestion on A14 is a particular phenomenon difficult to tackle. A14 south of Bologna is a summer bottleneck. However, even with increased highway capacity which is needed, there will be a lot of problems for internal traffic on the heavily developed Adriatic coast there.

They should have reserved ROW for an expressway closer to the beach back when tourism was booming there.
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To be fair, in Italy there are a slot of new alignment highways (Pedemontana, BreMeMi, Passante di Mestre, A31/A28) on the Po plains and nearby areas.

However, congestion on A14 is a particular phenomenon difficult to tackle. A14 south of Bologna is a summer bottleneck. However, even with increased highway capacity which is needed, there will be a lot of problems for internal traffic on the heavily developed Adriatic coast there.

They should have reserved ROW for an expressway closer to the beach back when tourism was booming there.
The most serious problem there is the lack of a motorway between Venice and Cesena. It would bring two major benefits: less congestion both on the A14 Bologna-Cesena and on the overcrowded and deadly SS309 "Romea". A such project would be more needed than the Pedemontana, Nogara-Mare, A31 North and A31 South all combined together.
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Old August 2nd, 2013, 11:47 AM   #5645
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I think congestion near Rimini will be significantly reduced, but Bologna - Forli will still be a major problem. This segment has grown into one of the worst summer congestion spots of Europe. TomTom frequently records over 1 hour of delay with near-stationary traffic around Bologna and southeast to Forli on summer weekends.
I will drive there 2 weeks from now, but on a Monday or Tuesday. Hopefully there will be no congestion.
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If I'm correct this means that the entire widening project of A14 down to Porto Sant'elpidio is completed?
Unfortunately it isn't. Two lots are missing: Ancona Nord-Ancona Sud (works are ongoing but started later than on the other lots; last week they were working on the enlargement of tunnel Sappanico north), and Senigallia-Ancona Nord. The contractor went bankrupt and currently works there are stopped.
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This is the congestion I am talking about. 2 hours (!) delay.

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Southbound you can partly bypass the delay by taking the tangenziale extension that reaches Ozzano, halfway between Bologna and Castel San Pietro, then SS9 "Emilia", which can be very congested as well. Northbound I always preferred the so called "Stradelli guelfi", a non continuous local road (SP31 for the largest part) which is not signed and known only to few. At times, it can be faster than both A14 and SS9.

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Unfortunately it isn't. Two lots are missing: Ancona Nord-Ancona Sud (works are ongoing but started later than on the other lots; last week they were working on the enlargement of tunnel Sappanico north), and Senigallia-Ancona Nord. The contractor went bankrupt and currently works there are stopped.
I stand corrected, they are working on the enlargment of the much smaller tunnel Montedomini north, just south of Ancona Nord exit.

I drove today from Val di Sangro to Bologna and beyond, and indeed three lanes are continuous from Senigallia northwards. Pesaro-Fano section was opened in "construction site" mode, low speed limits (which nobody follows) and old bumpy pavement.

I was amazed by the number of foreign-plated vehicles on the entire route. Lots of Germans, Dutch, French, even 5 or Danish and 1 Belarusan vehicles.
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I stand corrected, they are working on the enlargment of the much smaller tunnel Montedomini north, just south of Ancona Nord exit.

I drove today from Val di Sangro to Bologna and beyond, and indeed three lanes are continuous from Senigallia northwards. Pesaro-Fano section was opened in "construction site" mode, low speed limits (which nobody follows) and old bumpy pavement.

I was amazed by the number of foreign-plated vehicles on the entire route. Lots of Germans, Dutch, French, even 5 or Danish and 1 Belarusan vehicles.
It's Black Saturday today. They're everywhere...
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The northern Adriatic riviera (also Veneto and Friuli) is full of foreign cars in those weeks. Apart for the obvious Germans, Austrians, Dutch, Swiss,... I see an unusually large number of Russian cars and recently I saw a Finnish and a Lithuanian too.
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CIPE (Comitato Interministeriale per la Programmazione Economica, Inter-ministry Committee for Economic Planning) approved last 2nd August the construction of motorway Roma-Latina.

The whole project consists in 186 km of new roads, divided in several sections:

* A12 - Tor de' Cenci (motorway, 16 km)
* Tor de' Cenci - Latina Borgo Piave (motorway 52,3 km)
* Cisterna - A1 Valmontone (motorway, 31.5 km)
* complanari (normal roads beside the motoway) Aprilia Sud - Latina (18.2 km)
* enlargement of SS 148 Pontina (superstrada, 22 km)
* other roads (46 km)

http://roma.corriere.it/roma/notizie...63689473.shtml
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The northern Adriatic riviera (also Veneto and Friuli) is full of foreign cars in those weeks. Apart for the obvious Germans, Austrians, Dutch, Swiss,... I see an unusually large number of Russian cars and recently I saw a Finnish and a Lithuanian too.
What is Black Saturday? Haven't heard this term before...

Honestly I don't understand those people. In my opinion the Tyrrhenian coast of Italy is nicer, but in a high season I wouldn't go there either...
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Black Saturday is a term mainly used in France, but pretty much incorporated in neighbouring countries as well. It's when all these countries get into their cars and either go on holiday or come back from holiday. Last Saturday was Black Saturday as the whole of France got into their cars to start their holidays, and the Netherlands and Germany were either starting as well or just finishing in their vehicles, causing major congestion everywhere. In France alone there was over 800 km of congestion at one point, but also all routes to the Alps and Italy were blocked. Black Saturday is basically a Europe - wide congestion...

Google Samedi Noir and look at the images...
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Green = works completed
Yellow = under construction/renovation
Orange = contracts signed, works to begin soon
Blue = tender undergoing
Red = design phase and/or pending financing
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What are the red, green and white dots? Are those lot boundaries or maybe exits? If so why are some red, some white and some red on already completed sections?
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Black Saturday is a term mainly used in France, but pretty much incorporated in neighbouring countries as well. It's when all these countries get into their cars and either go on holiday or come back from holiday. Last Saturday was Black Saturday as the whole of France got into their cars to start their holidays, and the Netherlands and Germany were either starting as well or just finishing in their vehicles, causing major congestion everywhere. In France alone there was over 800 km of congestion at one point, but also all routes to the Alps and Italy were blocked. Black Saturday is basically a Europe - wide congestion...

Google Samedi Noir and look at the images...
Thanks for the explanation. Fortunately we are not as keen here on going on vacation all at the same time. Particularly those of us not constrained by school holidays. I like to take part of mine in late May or early June.
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Thanks for the explanation. Fortunately we are not as keen here on going on vacation all at the same time.
It's not like we want to; more, we have to. Factories close in August, because other factories they buy from close in August, because other factories they buy from close in August... so everybody's in the streets at the same time.
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