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Old August 8th, 2013, 06:24 PM   #5701
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I think they should have built an expressway through the city in the 1960s, when that would have been allowed, and then another causeway to the Lido.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 06:26 PM   #5702
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Where? Through Venice???
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Old August 8th, 2013, 06:27 PM   #5703
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Expressway over Venice channels?
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Old August 8th, 2013, 06:28 PM   #5704
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A Dutch-style polder would have been better, IMHO.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 06:32 PM   #5705
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Drying the Canal Grande? Please no...
They should rather dig subsea tunnels between Punta Sabbioni, Lido, Pellestrina and Chioggia.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 06:42 PM   #5706
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Expressway over Venice channels?
Such idea would be so mad that Sub probably really likes it
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Old August 8th, 2013, 06:43 PM   #5707
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Perhaps he meant an express waterway...
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Old August 8th, 2013, 06:47 PM   #5708
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It wouldn't have been allowed even in the 1960s. In those years the UNESCO saved Abu Simbel temples from Nasser's destructive plans.
Maybe it was possibile in Mussolini times but thanks God we didn't.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 06:51 PM   #5709
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There is no need for an expressway through Venezia. Population has dropped similar to American rust belt cities. Families don't want to live in a de-facto open air museum.
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I'd love to live in Venice, and commute in my boat to my car... I generally love water. And even though we have plenty of lakes around here, I really miss my canals and lakes in Friesland...
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Old August 8th, 2013, 07:00 PM   #5711
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There is no need for an expressway through Venezia. Population has dropped similar to American rust belt cities. Families don't want to live in a de-facto open air museum.
Yes, they were 200k 100 years ago and now 60k.I like Venice but I wouldn't live there, it's unpractical.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 07:02 PM   #5712
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Quote that.

I live in Rome, and I know how difficult can be to live there. It's an awesome place to see and to visit, but I wouldn't live there.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #5713
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I think they should have built an expressway through the city in the 1960s, when that would have been allowed, and then another causeway to the Lido.
Yes, so fundamental having an expressway through a city without cars.
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There is no need for an expressway through Venezia. Population has dropped similar to American rust belt cities. Families don't want to live in a de-facto open air museum.
For very different reasons, though.
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When visiting Venice by car, it's anyway cheaper to park on the mainland and take a train.
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When visiting Venice by car, it's anyway cheaper to park on the mainland and take a train.
Just like any other really turistic city. It's always cheaper to park outside the town to enter it via public transport.

I'd never park in the city center of Rome/Milan/Turin, for example.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 08:14 PM   #5717
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Just like any other really turistic city. It's always cheaper to park outside the town to enter it via public transport.

I'd never park in the city center of Rome/Milan/Turin, for example.
It also depends on where you are coming from and going to. If you are travelling through the city anyway, you may need to travel in "wrong direction" when either arriving or leaving, if you car is on the "wrong" side of the city. (Doing so might still save some money and even time, though.)

Of course this cannot be the case in Venice, since its centre is a dead end.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 08:16 PM   #5718
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Yes, so fundamental having an expressway through a city without cars.
All Italian cities were "city without cars" until the turn of 20th century, when modernity arrived

My idea wouldn't have been to build it through the build-up city, but instead as a network of causeways veering east on the end of the existing causeway and then swinging through the tip of Murano, the Arsenale (where some car facilities could be build like a mega garage), and then a sunk tunnel to the Lido (since there is a major shipping lane there).

A secondary branch (causeway over water) would also link Murano to Burano. Between them, some land reclamation could occur, building an arch-shape polder for new construction there, something like Dubai (but easier, since the lagoon is much easier to deal with than the open waters from which Dubai reclaims land).
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Old August 8th, 2013, 08:21 PM   #5719
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From what I know, Venice lagoon is a really endagered environment.

Doing such a project may tear it down.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 08:22 PM   #5720
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All Italian cities were "city without cars" until the turn of 20th century, when modernity arrived

My idea wouldn't have been to build it through the build-up city, but instead as a network of causeways veering east on the end of the existing causeway and then swinging through the tip of Murano, the Arsenale (where some car facilities could be build like a mega garage), and then a sunk tunnel to the Lido (since there is a major shipping lane there).

A secondary branch (causeway over water) would also link Murano to Burano. Between them, some land reclamation could occur, building an arch-shape polder for new construction there, something like Dubai (but easier, since the lagoon is much easier to deal with than the open waters from which Dubai reclaims land).
Is it really necessary?
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