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Old July 22nd, 2008, 10:16 PM   #561
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Okay, my comments on this horrible signage:

1) Overhead signs are useless if the arrows don't correspondend with the actual road situation (one arrow for two through lanes for example, or exit arrow above the right through lane)
2) Road numbers, they seem to randomly pick A or E-numbers. Very confusing and inconsistent.
3) A-numbers often not readable at 130km/h, unless you're very close.
4) Lack of destinations signed, often only one city is signed for hundreds of kilometers, but other (often signifcant) towns are not signed.
5) (In)direct signage of road numbers, you have no idea if this is the current road number, or a road number that is to be crossed ahead.
6) Exit signage is too small to be readable from an acceptable distance.
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Old July 22nd, 2008, 10:24 PM   #562
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Chris, you're making me scared a bit, i'll do similar trip in one month (Ancona - Orvieto - Napoli and back to Ancona, but via l'Aquila). i hope i'll have no problems
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Old July 24th, 2008, 02:39 AM   #564
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I'm really, really impressed of all these viaducts.
Is that the A20 Highway (Villa-Buonfornello) ?
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Old July 24th, 2008, 02:49 AM   #565
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Look at these videos about A20 and A3...

Castelbuono Exit / Svincolo Castelbuono Autostrada A20

Driving Autostrada A20_Southern Italy - Kill_Your_Television

Driving Autostrada A20_Southern Italy - Vista

Driving Autostrada A3_Southern Italy - Sidewinder

Driving Autostrada A3_Southern Italy - Advantage_Point_West

Castelbuono Exit / Autostrada A20

Driving Italian Motorways Trailer

Driving Autostrada A3 Sidewinder_Beta_Videogamez Version ("Sidewinder" With HUD)

Driving Autostrada A3 Sidewinder_Demo_Beta_Tutorial Version (HUD 'n Parlato w/o Music)

Enjoy !
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Old July 24th, 2008, 11:10 AM   #566
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Okay, my comments on this horrible signage:

1) Overhead signs are useless if the arrows don't correspondend with the actual road situation (one arrow for two through lanes for example, or exit arrow above the right through lane)
2) Road numbers, they seem to randomly pick A or E-numbers. Very confusing and inconsistent.
3) A-numbers often not readable at 130km/h, unless you're very close.
4) Lack of destinations signed, often only one city is signed for hundreds of kilometers, but other (often signifcant) towns are not signed.
5) (In)direct signage of road numbers, you have no idea if this is the current road number, or a road number that is to be crossed ahead.
6) Exit signage is too small to be readable from an acceptable distance.
Hi, let me try and answer to this. As a general rule when I travel abroad I try not to think that everything works like home or I0m lost. Inedded some kind of standardization at EU level is anyway desirable. I also know well that the older the highway (or the more you go down south ) signage worsens


Overhead signs are useless if the arrows don't correspondend with the actual road situation (one arrow for two through lanes for example, or exit arrow above the right through lane) not much point. It is not a city street and we have little if no divergence outside of metro areas. Right arrow is the exit, go straight and you remain on the highway to the previously set destination
2) Road numbers, they seem to randomly pick A or E-numbers. Very confusing and inconsistent.
Normally it's A or A/E, you never find E alone. After 50/60 years of Autostrade people remeber the way by the old number end the European numbers are slow to pick up and comonly used for superstrade only

3) A-numbers often not readable at 130km/h, unless you're very close.
Again, this is the way we think. A's are terminal to terminal. If you travel on the A22 and merge into the A4 either to Bergamo or Padua, you will follow the destination signs Milan or Venice because that's the way the road plan is set.You never try to pick the A number because memory is tricky and you prefer to read the city name you're heading to.
4) Lack of destinations signed, often only one city is signed for hundreds of kilometers, but other (often signifcant) towns are not signed.
Long city names, plenty of POI's. Writing too much is confusing. If you drive at random you will get lost everywhere. You must know waht your exit is.

5) (In)direct signage of road numbers, you have no idea if this is the current road number, or a road number that is to be crossed ahead.
On highways..it's the number of the road you are merging in.
6) Exit signage is too small to be readable from an acceptable distance.[/
Often true, but exists are announced repatedly starting from 1.000 m ahead and additional huge marking are written in white on the hardtop, what are you looking at? Check the traffic and hang a right, we've got to quit here....
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he'll be strumatized...
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Despite some obvious problems in the Italian concept of signposting, I can usually find my way there without too many problems. Better than in many other countries. You just have to get used to some Italian concepts of signposting. But hey, that's easier than getting used to the way the Italians drive or their road design.

Here are the hints:
- Ignore all stack signs with 6+ focals on them. They are there for one-off reference, but you won't be able to use those focals when finding your way. Next intersection they're probably gone.
- Don't try to use road numbers. Italians apparently don't like them and make life as difficult as possible for those that do.
- Exit signage starts relatively late, but the signs in the median help you counting down towards the next exit.
- Don't think that arrows on overhead signage are there to show which lane goes in which direction, even if they seem to be dividing the lanes.
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Look at these videos about A20 and A3...

Castelbuono Exit / Svincolo Castelbuono Autostrada A20
this exit looks amazing!
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and it has been built and open in the 1998.
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i have a question - are those blue lanes at toll stations (viacard) reserved for card payment (including credit cards)?
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Old July 26th, 2008, 07:33 PM   #572
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Chris, you're making me scared a bit, i'll do similar trip in one month (Ancona - Orvieto - Napoli and back to Ancona, but via l'Aquila). i hope i'll have no problems
I suggest you to buy a PNA (GPS).
if i'd have to describe it with 2 words, I'd say: f*cking cool!
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Yeah I have a TomTom too, though I will only use it in cities I guess.
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I suggest you to buy a PNA (GPS).
if i'd have to describe it with 2 words, I'd say: f*cking cool!
well, i'm thinking aboutit for some time but somehow allways i give up because i rarely drive outside of Croatia, and here i know each goat path
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i have a question - are those blue lanes at toll stations (viacard) reserved for card payment (including credit cards)?
Yes. They can be used with both credit and prepaid cards.
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http://www.autostrade.it/en/news4.html
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Old August 7th, 2008, 06:49 PM   #577
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Some 8 months ago, I promised Verso some more pictures of the Aosta Valley motorway, but I couldn't be bothered to wait hours on my slow upload speed. However, my ISP decided to increase it today, so here are the remaining pictures, with some nice views of the Mt. Blanc range:





























































A few thoughts: the scenery is almost surreal, let's just say these pictures simply don't do justice to the sense of scale witnessed on the spot.

Also, between Aosta and Courmayeur the motorway goes more below ground (in tunnels) than above it in a string of 5-7 km tunnels.

With the risk of sounding like Radi, I have to say the Mont Blanc Tunnel is a piece of technological mastery, with blue and yellow lights on the sides which resemble those of an airport runway . They even provide radio inside it, with the main frequency sometimes overridden by traffic announcements concerning the tunnel.
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A view to a kill.
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Under no circumstances I am going to post it since it would violate the basic rules of this forum and would also be a sick show, but most online edition of our major newspapers provide links to footage from A4 CCTV on the horrible accident killing 8 this week.

Some food for thought..wherever filmsy median barrier meants for military purposes are still in place...well they must be removed. Cold War is over. This should bring some second thoughts on those using cable barriers as well.

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Maybe you could just make some summary of this accident?
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