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Old August 24th, 2013, 03:27 PM   #5781
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Roundabout interchanges on tolled motorways

In most motorways that use the closed toll system, exits are built as trumpet interchanges, that allow to group all 4 ramps (2 on ramps and 2 off ramps) in a single toll barrier. Roundabout interchanges are commonly used on untolled sections of motorway. Some more recent tolled motorways, like the Passante di Mestre or the Valdastico Sud, however have also exits with rondabout interchanges, with 4 small toll barriers (2 inbound, where you take the ticket and 2 outbound where you pay).
The roundabout interchange requires less land consumption and shorter detours to enter\leave the motorway.

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In most Italian roundabout interchanges the roundabout is located below the motorway. On A31 the roundabouts are above, but there isn't practical difference.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old August 24th, 2013, 03:54 PM   #5782
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Roundabout motorway exits are very good, but not for tolled motorways. You need to build 4 separate tolling stations on at a roundabout exit, instead of just 1 at the trumpet exit.
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Old August 24th, 2013, 05:23 PM   #5783
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At the end of the day, physical tool booths are a thing of the past. They should do away with them, and adopt electronic or plate-based toll only.

I recognized, though, a positive unintended consequence of the expansive and expensive toll plaza space requirments in Italy: it avoids the building of excessive number of exists, which makes the autostrade less prone to become urban expressways for medium-sized cities.
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Old August 24th, 2013, 05:35 PM   #5784
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EU should really move forward with license plate tolls and enforcement of bills sent to foreign drivers.

Congestion at toll plazas is entirely unacceptable. You don't want to be stuck in traffic to pay those tolls. A colleague of mine went to Croatia and had to wait an hour to pay about € 1 in tolls. Totally not worth it.
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Old August 24th, 2013, 05:52 PM   #5785
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The Pennsylvania Turnpike has opened three (that I know of) exits/entrances in the Philadelphia suburbs in the last few years that are E-ZPass only.* They're also incentivizing E-ZPass use by, when they increase tolls, increasing mostly the cash rate.
Hasn't the 407 outside Toronto been electronic-only since it opened about 20 years ago?
I believe the much newer Inter-County Connector in suburban Washington is E-ZPass only

*I'm not sure how I feel about that...making certain options completely unavailable to people without the pass...but in this instance there are other exits close by and the E-ZPass-only exits are at office parks where most of the users would be commuters.

All of which has nothing to do with Italy....
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Old August 24th, 2013, 05:56 PM   #5786
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Most open road tolling facilities with no cash options send out bills to drivers without transponders. That way you can still use the toll road without needing to register a transponder, but it will be a bit more expensive due to handling fees.

Most European toll roads do have some kind of free-flow transponder system, but these are often not interesting for tourists and incidental travelers because of the annual subscription fee and the requirement of a physical transponder in the car. Only Norway and Portugal have entirely free-flow, non-transponder toll systems.
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Old August 24th, 2013, 06:14 PM   #5787
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EU should really move forward with license plate tolls and enforcement of bills sent to foreign drivers.

Congestion at toll plazas is entirely unacceptable. You don't want to be stuck in traffic to pay those tolls. A colleague of mine went to Croatia and had to wait an hour to pay about € 1 in tolls. Totally not worth it.
If he was at Lučko, he could have used the Demerje toll station for bank cards and avoided the wait.
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Old August 24th, 2013, 06:22 PM   #5788
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If he was at Lučko, he could have used the Demerje toll station for bank cards and avoided the wait.
it must have been Bobovica (Bregana). foreigners in 99% pay more than 1€ at Lučko. maybe Rupa or something at A9, but there tolls don't make jams.
also, jams at Bobovica toll station are always combined with jams at border crossing.
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Old August 24th, 2013, 06:28 PM   #5789
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It was near Rijeka, probably from Slovenia. Can't blame her though, it was her first time paying tolls ever
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so Rupa at A7. weird, I hear for the first time 1 h waiting time there (even 10 min waiting time would sound weird to me there). i used it only 2 times, it is very off route for me.
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Old August 25th, 2013, 02:49 AM   #5791
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Is there a specific name for this kind of interchange?
https://maps.google.it/maps?q=Azzano...ia+Giulia&z=16

I guess this one is a particular case with no specific name
https://maps.google.it/maps?q=Azzano...ia+Giulia&z=16
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old August 25th, 2013, 10:44 AM   #5792
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The first is a partial cloverleaf, or parclo. They are quite common in the Netherlands since the 1970s. The second is a mix between a trumpet and partial cloverleaf.
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Old August 25th, 2013, 01:51 PM   #5793
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This in an incomplete cloverleaf, the expressway is planned towards West
https://maps.google.it/maps?q=udine&...gl=it&t=h&z=15

This is a short of rounabout interchange (with a "roundabout" shaped like an 8. Is there a specific name?
https://maps.google.it/maps?q=udine&...gl=it&t=h&z=17

Partial cloverleaf with an additional right-turn ramp
https://maps.google.it/maps?q=udine&...gl=it&t=h&z=16

2 trumpet interchanges combined
https://maps.google.it/maps?q=udine&...gl=it&t=h&z=16

???
https://maps.google.it/maps?q=udine&...gl=it&t=h&z=16

Another kind of partial cloverleaf
https://maps.google.it/maps?q=udine&...gl=it&t=h&z=17
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 10:48 AM   #5794
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Here, according to the signs you can go both straight or left but if you go straight you have to pass a solid white line and enter the yellow lane.
https://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&ll...90.15,,0,12.88
Is difficult to read, but under the off traffic lights there is wrote "when the traffic light is red, or flashing, mandatory direction (turn) on left"

The italian highway code appoint that the traffic lights and vertical traffic signs were apply over a contrasting orizontal signs...
So the road is 2-way system when the traffic lights is turned off, and one-way (lane reserved to bus and taxi) when is turned on
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Old August 27th, 2013, 11:07 AM   #5795
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I've seen the photos of A32 (some pages back), amazing! I've run A32 twice, at first and late of 2000-decade... (the first time the stretch between Oulx and Bardonecchia was still to a one carriageway withy 3 lane!)
But I didn't remember that the shoulder/emergency lane was so narrow at the final stretch...
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Old August 27th, 2013, 06:45 PM   #5796
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Yesterday the tender contract for the link Ancona harbour-A14 has been signed, the so called "West exit".
Contractor is a temporary association made by Impregilo-Astaldi-Pizzarotti-Itinera. Cost is 479,8 M€.
This is the project:
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Old August 28th, 2013, 05:29 PM   #5797
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There will be two long tunells on this link ?
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Yes, this is the description:

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The project consists in a high capacity link among Ancona harbour, A14 motorway and SS16. The new road will connect to the existent harbour roads - near Via Enrico Mattei - by a new junction with Asse Attrezzato road, with connections also to the new dockyards and the old harbour.

The road begins with a viaduct and, basically straight, overpasses existing railroad near Ancona Centrale station, enters Palombella cliff by means of a tunnel, close to the former Benincasa school. Exiting from the tunnel, the road runs for 250 m halfway up the hill then bends westward, entering the second tunnel (3 km long). At the exit, the road continues inside Valle Lunga (Long Valley) to its south terminus, where toll booth and junction with A14 are located. Connection with SS16 is realized by means of a new road, along Barcaglione creek to the Madonna del Carmine junction.
translated from Anconanotizie
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Old August 28th, 2013, 08:10 PM   #5799
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Raccordo Gorizia - Villese, future A34 motorway.

Last exit in Slovenia on H4:



Entering Italy from Slovenia:



First exit in Italy:



Good-looking bridge:



The entire motorway is limited to 60 km/h and 1 lane. I almost felt asleep while driving so slow...







Too many speed limit signs:



Entering A4 in direction Venezia:

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Old August 28th, 2013, 08:21 PM   #5800
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I see they opened the section between the new toll station and interchange with A4 itself. The MILANO on the asphalt is new, I wonder if it will apear also on signs?
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