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Old August 29th, 2013, 11:19 PM   #5821
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Exiting A4 near Padova to A13 to Bologna:





Fuel prices along the motorway:





Lots of destinations on this signs near Bologna:



Another nice looking bridge:



On tangenziale Bologna:



My hotel was on Via Stalingrado, so I took this exit:

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Old August 30th, 2013, 12:12 AM   #5822
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Nice pics


I cringe with the naming of any public building or street with a Stalin reference though

Even the Russians changed the name of the city but the Bologna municipality doesn't care to remove terrorists and foreign dictators from its street names Dictators who took a chunk of Italian territory away like Tito (the Yugoslavian butcher/thug/psychopath, not the Roman emperor) are also honored with street names in Italy, something inconceivable in most countries.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 12:19 AM   #5823
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^that's nothing compared to Paris

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Check out the fuel price

http://i.imgur.com/w6h8dUC.jpg
on motorway rest areas the prices are usually higher.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 12:19 AM   #5824
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I know I drove the Großglockner High Alpine Road in Austria last year in the second week of September. The weather was great, sunny and warm. But they announced on the radio that the following days the snow peak will sink from over 2000m to under 1400, so the same trip a week later was not possible anymore.

Anyway, I will have to see how I will plan the trip. It's already the 3rd time I plan a trip to Venice. First two times I had to cancel because of weather.
That is about Austria, but I think they just plow the Glossglockner route if it is not late into Fall...

Most Italian passes could be kept opened year-round (though not all), but the costs probably don't justify it now that there are tunnels and other routes to get around. Even the Passo Stelvio was once kept opened year-round. I think they had wooden sheds to prevent avalanche overflows in some places.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 12:29 AM   #5825
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Dictators who took a chunk of Italian territory away like Tito (the Yugoslavian butcher/thug/psychopath, not the Roman emperor) are also honored with street names in Italy, something inconceivable in most countries.
I don't see any reason whatsoever why there would be Tito streets in Italy or even Slovenia. However, in case of Slovenia, what you call 'taking italian territory away' I think it was just regaining territory taken after WWI. (more or less)
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Old August 30th, 2013, 12:37 AM   #5826
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Via Stalingrado is named after the Battle of Stalingrad, not after the dictator. No one knows this battle as "Battle of Volgograd"...

Anyway Bologna has the viale Lenin, named after him.

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Old August 30th, 2013, 12:51 AM   #5827
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That is about Austria, but I think they just plow the Glossglockner route if it is not late into Fall...

Most Italian passes could be kept opened year-round (though not all), but the costs probably don't justify it now that there are tunnels and other routes to get around. Even the Passo Stelvio was once kept opened year-round. I think they had wooden sheds to prevent avalanche overflows in some places.
Stelvio pass had never been cleaned in winter. In the past they used to cross it with horse-drawn sledges. You can remove the snow from alpine roads but you cannot protect them from avalanches falling from above.
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I don't see any reason whatsoever why there would be Tito streets in Italy or even Slovenia. However, in case of Slovenia, what you call 'taking italian territory away' I think it was just regaining territory taken after WWI. (more or less)
So it Austria invades you it's fine because once you were in Austria.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:07 AM   #5829
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A dam seen from the road:
This dam is sadly famous... It's called "diga del Vajont", and in 1963 a big piece of the mountain above fell in the artificial lake, pushing all the water over the dam down in the valley, destroying many towns and killing 2000 people.

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disastro_del_Vajont (sorry but I couldn't find the English wiki page).
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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:12 AM   #5830
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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:14 AM   #5831
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I don't see any reason whatsoever why there would be Tito streets in Italy or even Slovenia. However, in case of Slovenia, what you call 'taking italian territory away' I think it was just regaining territory taken after WWI. (more or less)
Well, I won't extend much on the off-topic, but while Italy had annexed some lands there after WW1, there had been Italianized (Venetian) settlements in Dalmatia since 17th Century.

I'm not arguing whether the outcome of WW2 was reasonable or not in respect to people living there. Things were complicated and it was decided under pressure from the commies that ethnic Italians were to be expelled. However, that doesn't mean communist statesmen responsible for pushing for this solution should be honored in Italy, that is the bizarre part.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:28 AM   #5832
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^yes I agree with that, also on today's Slovenian coast there were Italian or better Venetian setlements, but so were Slovenian setlements in today's Italy. today's border is a compromise, and it is impossible to make an ideal border. that's why we have minorities on both sides.

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So it Austria invades you it's fine because once you were in Austria.
you know it's not the same (ethnic criteria...)
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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:44 AM   #5833
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We won the IWW and we acquired some land. We lost the IIWW and we gave some land away.

That's the result of the history, and has nothing to do with supposed "ethnical rights". Take a look at South Tyrol...
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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:46 AM   #5834
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Exiting A4 near Padova to A13 to Bologna:





Fuel prices along the motorway:





Lots of destinations on this signs near Bologna:



Another nice looking bridge:



On tangenziale Bologna:



My hotel was on Via Stalingrado, so I took this exit:

Well done my friend ( bogdymol )
i like the bridge . it's my favourite
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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:49 AM   #5835
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We won the IWW and we acquired some land. We lost the IIWW and we gave some land away.

That's the result of the history, and has nothing to do with supposed "ethnical rights". Take a look at South Tyrol...
Sure. My point is only that foreigners who were directly responsible for reducing the territorial extent of Italy shouldn't be commemorated in Italy with street names, statues etc. . Just that
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Old August 30th, 2013, 03:02 AM   #5836
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We won the IWW and we acquired some land. We lost the IIWW and we gave some land away.

That's the result of the history, and has nothing to do with supposed "ethnical rights". Take a look at South Tyrol...
Italy won WWI started by stupid Austrian politicians, not Slovenes who happened to live in Austria-Hungary and didn't wanna live there anyway. Also, A-H never declared war to Italy, so the Battles of the Isonzo are considered strictly defensive. To make things even worse, we won these battles, but were taken territory away anyway. Talk about dying for nothing.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 03:29 AM   #5837
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Via Stalingrado is named after the Battle of Stalingrad, not after the dictator. No one knows this battle as "Battle of Volgograd"...

Anyway Bologna has the viale Lenin, named after him.



There is also Viale Zagabria in Bologna, am I right?

OK, there is Corso Bologna (Aleja Bologne) and Viale Venezia (Mletacka ulica) in Zagabria/Zagreb.
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Italy won WWI started by stupid Austrian politicians, not Slovenes who happened to live in Austria-Hungary and didn't wanna live there anyway. Also, A-H never declared war to Italy, so the Battles of the Isonzo are considered strictly defensive. To make things even worse, we won these battles, but were taken territory away anyway. Talk about dying for nothing.
Who cares? Austria-Hungary lost the war and simply collapsed.

Italy occupied some Austrian land (not Slovenian!) and annected it. So simple, it worked so everywere, after every war...
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Old August 30th, 2013, 05:42 AM   #5839
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Am I the only one who finds these city names written across the carriageway on exits rather useless?
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