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Old August 30th, 2013, 08:10 PM   #5861
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I don't know how many of you know this, but they're working on the completion of A52 North Tangenziale of Milan (informally called "peduncle"), closing the ring. They're upgrading the current road in the missing link, a local road called SP46, to autostrada status.
It will run for a short while parallel to existing SS35 Milano-Meda. Long story short, that stretch is going to carry 14 total lanes (!). At least, that's what newspaper say, because I think they count emergency lanes too. As a matter of fact, Milano-Meda is 3+3 and future A52 2+2.

Here are some renders:


Milano-Meda is the 2+2 one

Here the same stretch as it appears today https://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&ll...04128&t=h&z=19

Afaik even the future link will be 2+2 except this little stretch 3+3 but just because of the interchange with Milano-Meda

These are official renders of the intervention





http://urbanfilemilano.blogspot.it/2...r-il-2016.html





http://www.proiter.eu/rho-monza_road.html
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Old September 1st, 2013, 10:17 AM   #5862
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A neat video of A14 Pesaro => Rimini

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Old September 1st, 2013, 12:58 PM   #5863
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A neat video of A14 Pesaro => Rimini
what a waste of money, they are still driving as there were only 2 lanes
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Old September 1st, 2013, 02:12 PM   #5864
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Italian drivers are getting worse over the years...
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Old September 1st, 2013, 05:44 PM   #5865
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I will post more pictures from my trip to Italy, but until then I have to say that I hate Italian drivers for sleeping in the middle lane
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Old September 1st, 2013, 05:48 PM   #5866
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what a waste of money, they are still driving as there were only 2 lanes
Unfortunately this could be said for many many stretches updated in recent years. The situation is not that much different even on 4 line sections like Milano-Bergamo on A4...

That kind of behavior brought to some kind of legalization of right hand overtaking. I think it has been discussed about here too.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 12:52 PM   #5867
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In Italian motorways almost no one uses the right lane! looks for reasons of pride: they are ashamed to stand in the aisle of the "slow moving vehicles" although it should be used for normal driving!
consequently the fast lane that should be free and used only for overtaking is always busy, while some stupid idiots use the central going slowly!
It's happened to me several times to overcome one who did the 80-100 km/h in the middle lane while I walked to the deserted right lane at 100-120
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 01:22 PM   #5868
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On 3x2 motorways in Italy the rightmost lane is:
- Truck-only lane from Monday to Friday
- Emergency lane on the weekends


It happens on 2x2 motorways too to see the right lane only with trucks (and maybe some cars w/ trailer) and cars driving at 100-110 on the left lane.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 02:11 PM   #5869
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In Italian motorways almost no one uses the right lane!
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It happens on 2x2 motorways too to see the right lane only with trucks (and maybe some cars w/ trailer) and cars driving at 100-110 on the left lane.

that's understandable, at least if there is high traffic ( and if right lane is filled with trucks, it usually is)
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 02:26 PM   #5870
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In Italian motorways almost no one uses the right lane! looks for reasons of pride: they are ashamed to stand in the aisle of the "slow moving vehicles" although it should be used for normal driving!
No... this attitude is due to the fact that in Italy there are more trucks on the highways than the rest of Europe on an avarage.

During the week it is quite normal to see on the main motorways the right lane completely packed of trucks in a neverending queue running at 80 km/h
Every vehicle which run at higher speed pratically don't use it.

And that's why IMO Italians are not used to drive on the right lane even when it is free.

Authorities are aware of this attitude too and many signs warn to keep the right lane

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Old September 2nd, 2013, 03:22 PM   #5871
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No... this attitude is due to the fact that in Italy there are more trucks on the highways than the rest of Europe on an avarage.

During the week it is quite normal to see on the main motorways the right lane completely packed of trucks in a neverending queue running at 80 km/h
Every vehicle which run at higher speed pratically don't use it.

And that's why IMO Italians are not used to drive on the right lane even when it is free.

Authorities are aware of this attitude too and many signs warn to keep the right lane

My Italian's rusty - don't know the first word on that sign at all - but I read that as "occupy the free lane farthest to the right"?
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"Agevola il sorpasso" -> "Ease the overtake"

The rest is correct.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 04:56 PM   #5873
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President of Province of Sondrio, Massimo Sertori, yesterday said that they are financing feasibility studies for a future Stelvio tunnel. "Studies are there, and they are much more advanced than generally known" - he said. "We are working on this hypotesis but I'm not telling you more because we don't want to compromise our relationships with Alto Adige - they must agree too, evidently".

http://www.laprovinciadisondrio.it/s...io_1022034_11/
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 05:01 PM   #5874
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A tunnel like that would be around 17 - 18 kilometers long from valley floor to valley floor. If this was in Norway, I'd say it would likely be constructed, but the Alps is another story.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 05:03 PM   #5875
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A tunnel like that would be around 17 - 18 kilometers long from valley floor to valley floor. If this was in Norway, I'd say it would likely be constructed, but the Alps is another story.
I read somewhere else that one project is 12 km double bore, another one 10 km single bore.
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A single bore would be more than enough. It could unlock the potential of tourism to Valtellina to people from central and north europe

That is why sudtirol will never agree
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 05:37 PM   #5877
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A tunnel like that would be around 17 - 18 kilometers long from valley floor to valley floor. If this was in Norway, I'd say it would likely be constructed, but the Alps is another story.
You can climb a couple hundred meters on both sides (more on the Southwestern one) before starting a tunnel. The morphology is quite favorable for that.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 09:07 PM   #5878
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I'm posting now pictures from my roadtrip from Bologna to Pisa (tangenziale Bologna - A1 to Firenze, then Fi-Pi-Li until Pisa).

Just entered Bologna bypass (tangenziale Bologna) from via Stalingrado:



Note that there are also signs for the lanes in the middle. The road has a 2+3+3+2 configuration, with the inner lanes beeing an autostrada (A14), while the outer lanes are Bologna bypass (tangenziale). This outer lanes have a lot more exits than the inner lanes and they are free (compared to autostrada lanes that are tolled).



The inner lanes don't have a hard shoulder, but the right-most lane is kept free when the traffic is not that big.









3 km of congestion ahead on the autostrada to Firenze:



Leaving Bologna bypass and entering A1 to Firenze:

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Old September 2nd, 2013, 09:10 PM   #5879
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A1 Bologna - Firenze:





Just 2 km of congestion ahead:







There are a lot of tunnels on this motorway:





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Old September 2nd, 2013, 09:12 PM   #5880
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There are a lot of sharp turns for a motorway:





Congestion ahead:



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