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Old September 2nd, 2013, 09:15 PM   #5881
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A sign showing information about the works on A1. Maybe an Italian forumer will give more details about this works. I saw some new viaducts and tunnels almost completed close to A1.





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Exiting A1 near Firenze and going to Fi-Pi-Li 'blue autostrada':



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Old September 2nd, 2013, 09:17 PM   #5882
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Entering the Fi-Pi-Li 'blue autostrada':









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Old September 2nd, 2013, 09:20 PM   #5883
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Here I think it's a design fault with this up&down road. Even on google.maps you can see it.



Arriving in Pisa:

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Old September 2nd, 2013, 09:22 PM   #5884
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FIPILI is no blue autostrada, not even a primary road, just a secondary one. It is loaded with traffic, though.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 09:33 PM   #5885
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Fi-Pi-Li is a blue autostrada, as this sign says (sorry, but my photographer missed half of the sign). But you are right, it's very congested, but this is because is a free conection between Firenze and Pisa.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 09:57 PM   #5886
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A sign showing information about the works on A1. Maybe an Italian forumer will give more details about this works. I saw some new viaducts and tunnels almost completed close to A1.
It's variante di valico, a new alignment of A1 between Firenze and Bologna - actually between Sasso Marconi and Barberino di Mugello. It's due to be completed in 2015, hopefully.

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Fi-Pi-Li is a blue autostrada, as this sign says (sorry, but my photographer missed half of the sign). But you are right, it's very congested, but this is because is a free conection between Firenze and Pisa.
That sign is actually wrong. That sign is reserved for "strada extraurbana principale" - primary extra-urban road", while FIPILI is "strada extraurbana secondaria".
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It's variante di valico, a new alignment of A1 between Firenze and Bologna - actually between Sasso Marconi and Barberino di Mugello. It's due to be completed in 2015, hopefully.
Will this new alignment be for one carriageway, while the other carriageway will remain on the old alignment, or it will be for both directions?
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 10:20 PM   #5888
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Some pictures with the same Fi-Pi-Li, but this time in the other direction, from Pisa to Firenze:







The speed limit is 100 km/h and there are many speed cameras:







Firenze is ahead:



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Old September 2nd, 2013, 10:21 PM   #5889
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Will this new alignment be for one carriageway, while the other carriageway will remain on the old alignment, or it will be for both directions?
Both alignments will be open in both directions.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 10:22 PM   #5890
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Both alignments will be open in both directions.
but only for cars. old route remains active for the trucks, if i understood correct
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 10:25 PM   #5891
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[QUOTE=hofburg;106707698]I do
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Both alignments will be open in both directions.
Will the new aligment feature 3+3 lanes? What will happen with the old alignment?
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 10:28 PM   #5893
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No... this attitude is due to the fact that in Italy there are more trucks on the highways than the rest of Europe on an avarage.

During the week it is quite normal to see on the main motorways the right lane completely packed of trucks in a neverending queue running at 80 km/h
Every vehicle which run at higher speed pratically don't use it.

And that's why IMO Italians are not used to drive on the right lane even when it is free.

Authorities are aware of this attitude too and many signs warn to keep the right lane
It's ok, but during the weekend or when there isn't the "elephant running" (for german way to say the jam on right lane of the heavy vehicles) should be used but it's not!
my idea is that the controls, persuasion, information and an increase in the rate of sanctions should be done
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 10:32 PM   #5894
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Don't know what to add. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

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Will this new alignment be for one carriageway, while the other carriageway will remain on the old alignment, or it will be for both directions?
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Both alignments will be open in both directions.
It's a bit more complicated than that:
- La Quercia-Aglio stretch (37 km): an entirely new alignment where drivers can choose between new road (2+2) and old alignment (2+2).
- Aglio-Barberino stretch (6 km): only the south carriageway (3 lanes) will be built anew; the existing stretch (both current carriageways) will be adapted and transformed into new north carriageway (4 lanes).

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but only for cars. old route remains active for the trucks, if i understood correct
I heard that too, but I'm not sure how are they gonna enforce this.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 10:38 PM   #5895
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- La Quercia-Aglio stretch (37 km): an entirely new alignment where drivers can choose between new road (2+2) and old alignment (2+2).
So there will be 2 paralel motorways. Will both be tolled? If yes, will the price be the same?

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- Aglio-Barberino stretch (6 km): only the south carriageway (3 lanes) will be built anew; the existing stretch (both current carriageways) will be adapted and transformed into new north carriageway (4 lanes).
So it will have a 3+4 configuration on this 6 km.
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What?
the signal at the end of the main highroad with an additional panel that says "secondary country road"?
WTF?
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- La Quercia-Aglio stretch (37 km)
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As far I know, it is predicted that trucks will use mainly the new road (except hazmat), cars mainly the old one. I don't know about toll level except that both will be tolled and traffic restriction (except probably for hazmat because of the 2x2, 8 km base tunnel).

In a second phase another part of new southbound carriageway will be built, including an 8 km tunnel, leaving the old one for northbound traffic.
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I really liked the name FI-PI-LI (Which stands for Florence-Pisa-Livorno). I only have been in the last few meters of the Livorno (Leghorn?) branch. The international section of CBRD jokingly suggested merging it with the RA03 for a nice SI (Siena)-FI-PI-LI .

The Variante di Valico was already U/C when I visited Italy back in 2010. But knowing how Italy is, I don't expect it is much more advanced now.
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So there will be 2 paralel motorways. Will both be tolled? If yes, will the price be the same?
Yes, both will be tolled, I think prices will be the same but I'm not sure...

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So it will have a 3+4 configuration on this 6 km.
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As far I know, it is predicted that trucks will use mainly the new road (except hazmat), cars mainly the old one. I don't know about toll level except that both will be tolled and traffic restriction (except probably for hazmat because of the 2x2, 8 km base tunnel).
Yes, but with my car I'm not going to take the old curvy stretch while there's a state-of-the-art new motorway at hand. Not unless they point a gun at me. That's what I mean when I said "not sure how they're gonna enforce it".

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In a second phase another part of new southbound carriageway will be built, including an 8 km tunnel, leaving the old one for northbound traffic.
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Not part of Variante di Valico though.

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The Variante di Valico was already U/C when I visited Italy back in 2010. But knowing how Italy is, I don't expect it is much more advanced now.
Ah-ha, very funny.
As a matter of fact many stretches are practically ready to be opened. Unfortunately, it's all or nothing, so a delay on a little piece of work is going to affect the opening day of the whole autostrada.
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