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Old September 3rd, 2013, 07:21 PM   #5921
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The SS148 Roma-Latina is 2x2 fully grade-separated but few years ago was downgraded from s.e. principale (110) to s.e. secondaria (90) because of substandard design and high accident rate.
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Yes, I know, but instead of fixing the road, they lower the speed limit. It isn't a really fair behavior...
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I think it's a kind of trend, but not just for lack of money.

For istance Milan full standard 130 km/h tangenziali are limited at 90 km/h since many years after a series of fatal car crashes
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Old September 4th, 2013, 12:33 PM   #5922
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I don't think Milan East Tangenziale is standard 130 km/h.
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Old September 4th, 2013, 01:21 PM   #5923
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This is Tangenziale Est in one of its 'narrowest' stretches close to the city https://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&ll...p=12,4,,0,5.72

This is the 'farther' part of Est in Vimercate (in the narrowest part, in a covered trench) https://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&ll...192.69,,0,2.98

This is A1 close to Milan https://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&ll...25.64,,0,11.58
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Old September 4th, 2013, 03:33 PM   #5924
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In Italia there are a lot of annoying speed limits. Several months ago I noticed new speed limits at Trieste bypass. In the middle of autostrada A4 there is a speed limit of 90 km/h (between Sgonico and Basovizza exit). If you go further is like 80 km/h in tunnels, that's ok... But than is the most stupid part, just before exit of Dorligo (grandi motori), there is a speed limit of 50 km/h in the whole strech to Triste. This is grade separated highway, and there could be easily speed limit of 80 km/h.
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Old September 4th, 2013, 05:28 PM   #5925
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A couple of pictures, from Italian thread, about the TBM - just arrived at Porto Empedocle harbour - that's going to be used to dig some tunnels on SS640 in Sicily:

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Old September 4th, 2013, 07:39 PM   #5926
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As far as i know it will be used to bore a railways tunnel

http://www.corriere.it/cronache/13_s...5bd09b2b.shtml
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Old September 4th, 2013, 07:52 PM   #5927
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As far as i know it will be used to bore a railways tunnel

http://www.corriere.it/cronache/13_s...5bd09b2b.shtml
Italian journalism is at an all-time low. The TBM will be used for the excavation of ROAD SS 640, no railways. The connection with TAV the journalist made is preposterous and absolutely out of place.

PS: If you read well, the article later talks about roads.
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Old September 4th, 2013, 09:51 PM   #5928
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I was looking at the SS47 (or, depending of the section, SR47 or SP47) that connect Padova and Trento. I travelled it on the past (from Bassano to Trento) as a passenger and many people from eastern Veneto and Friuli use it to go to Trento\Brenner without taking the detour via Verona.
It's quite a strange road because it's partly a normal 1+1 road and partly an expressway.

Padova - Limena: 2x2 expressway, it serves as eastern beltway of the city connecting A13 with A4.

Limena - Bassano del Grappa: normal 1+1 road with at-grade junctions and driveways. The Cittadella beltway it's grade-separated.

Bassano del Grappa beltway: mostly 2x2 expressway, except the most southern part, 1+1 but grade-separated. Classificated as SR14var.

Bassano del Grappa - Torre: 1+1 road

Torre - Solagna: 2x2 expressway for just 1km, don't know why

Solagna - Carpanè: 1+1

Carpanè - Rivalta: 2x2 expressway

Rivalta - San Marino (not the Republic): 2x2 without median, grade-separated

San Marino - Tollo: long section of 2x2 expressway. It includes the junction with the SS50 to Feltre - Belluno - Fiera di Primero - Passo Rolle, that is built with a quite unusual underground trumpeth interchange.

Tollo - Strigno: 1+1

Strigno - Campiello: 2x2 expressway

Campiello - San Cristoforo: 1+1, but with many grade-separated junctions

San Cristoforo - Trento: 2x2 expressway, it bypass the city with a long tunnel that connect directly with the A22.
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NEarby there is the scary Passo Manghe
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There's better (near Besenello, Trento)



Total lenght: 7,5km
Average gradient: 17,6%
Max gradient: 45%

However it's not open to traffic:

Otherwise it would be the steepest road in the world. The steepest public road in the world is in New Zealand and it's "only" 35%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_Street



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Old September 5th, 2013, 01:24 AM   #5931
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In Italia there are a lot of annoying speed limits. Several months ago I noticed new speed limits at Trieste bypass. In the middle of autostrada A4 there is a speed limit of 90 km/h (between Sgonico and Basovizza exit). If you go further is like 80 km/h in tunnels, that's ok... But than is the most stupid part, just before exit of Dorligo (grandi motori), there is a speed limit of 50 km/h in the whole strech to Triste. This is grade separated highway, and there could be easily speed limit of 80 km/h.
This speed limit is really ridiculous, it is about two years old, before that was 70 kmh if I remembered well...

Hovever, only 20% of drivers obey it, other are driving about 70 kmh (I drive once a month there, so this observation of mine should be accurate)...
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Old September 5th, 2013, 11:02 AM   #5932
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Inspections have started on lands that will be affected by lot II.6 of A33 Asti-Cuneo. Works on this lot, featuring two 3+ km tunnels under Verduno hill, have not started yet and are really late.


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Old September 5th, 2013, 12:39 PM   #5933
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Italian journalism is at an all-time low. The TBM will be used for the excavation of ROAD SS 640, no railways. The connection with TAV the journalist made is preposterous and absolutely out of place.

PS: If you read well, the article later talks about roads.
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Old September 6th, 2013, 12:01 PM   #5934
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I've a question, and I hope is not a OT...
I think that many of you knows the Motorways exitslist site http://motorways-exitlists.com/
It's in a continuing updating... But the page about Italy isn't update since 2004!! the last update most recent is the add of "Passante di Mestre" on A4 and the add of Tangenziale di Mestre as A57
I've try more times to contact the author and other references at the e-mail address wrote in its homepage (Contact:michal(dot)halabica(at)motorways-exitlists(dot)com) but without any answer..
Did you know why? Baceuse from 2009 there's a lot of change
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I've a question, and I hope is not a OT...
I think that many of you knows the Motorways exitslist site http://motorways-exitlists.com/
It's in a continuing updating... But the page about Italy isn't update since 2004!! the last update most recent is the add of "Passante di Mestre" on A4 and the add of Tangenziale di Mestre as A57
I've try more times to contact the author and other references at the e-mail address wrote in its homepage (Contact:michal(dot)halabica(at)motorways-exitlists(dot)com) but without any answer..
Did you know why? Baceuse from 2009 there's a lot of change
Michal is often on long vacation. he always responded me on my mails. curently i am waiting a response from him, too.
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Old September 7th, 2013, 08:10 PM   #5936
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Is this guy (Michal Halabica) registered on SSC?
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Is this guy (Michal Halabica) registered on SSC?
i don't think so, but i think it would be really great if he was here. the guy is really pleasant to communicate with.
there is certain Michal Halabica who is some high positioned person in Slovak Ministry of transportation responsible for road traffic, that might be him.
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Old September 8th, 2013, 07:36 PM   #5938
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A34 update

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Old September 8th, 2013, 07:37 PM   #5939
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btw, Gorizia distance signs are always with 0,5

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Old September 8th, 2013, 09:11 PM   #5940
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On the Google Maps, there is still no A34 signed on this road...
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