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Old September 20th, 2013, 09:01 PM   #6041
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Old September 20th, 2013, 09:05 PM   #6042
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I would abolish this sign and replace it with the actual speed limit.
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Old September 21st, 2013, 06:06 PM   #6043
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New A34 sign:

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Old September 21st, 2013, 06:20 PM   #6044
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I would abolish this sign and replace it with the actual speed limit.
That's what happened in Ireland in 2005. When the speed limits went metric, the "national speed limit applies" sign was abolished, so now every limit is explicitly signed.

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Old September 21st, 2013, 09:51 PM   #6045
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375 km to Milan. People from Udine won't like it.
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Old September 21st, 2013, 10:01 PM   #6046
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Old September 21st, 2013, 10:35 PM   #6047
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Horrible lane hogging
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Old September 21st, 2013, 10:48 PM   #6048
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Passing others while on the fast lane is not lane hogging.
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Old September 21st, 2013, 11:07 PM   #6049
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There is no fast lane. There is the right lane for driving and the left lanes are for overtaking. After overtaking, if the right lane is free, you should move back until you reach the next car to overtake. The right lane in the video is empty almost all of the time.
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Old September 21st, 2013, 11:13 PM   #6050
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Passing others while on the fast lane is not lane hogging.
how do you call this from 0:00 to 1:08? or 1:56-2:56?
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Old September 21st, 2013, 11:26 PM   #6051
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clearly he like others doesn't know how you should drive on a motorway. Using the term "fast lane" is a good hint to this.

Similar style of driving I also saw in Switzerland while visiting it a month ago. I was really surprised and frustrated by those drivers. Many times I had to drive slow on the left lane because of idiots. In the end I began gesturing with my hands (no flashes or other aggressive behavior) and they made way

I will visit Italy in a week, on my way to Venice, I'm guessing, as hand gesturing is at home in Italy, it won't resolve much

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Old September 21st, 2013, 11:39 PM   #6052
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how do you call this from 0:00 to 1:08? or 1:56-2:56?
I call it overtaking a series of cars. If the car was driving the same speed as cars in other lanes, then you could call it lane hogging. The car was in the middle lane because, prior to minute 0:00, it was overtaking a series of cars on the right-hand lane. In any case, I have no intention on arguing any further about this point. Just not interested.
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Old September 21st, 2013, 11:47 PM   #6053
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Old September 21st, 2013, 11:52 PM   #6054
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clearly he like others doesn't know how you should drive on a motorway. Using the term "fast lane" is a good hint to this.
1. No need to "lecture" me or anyone else on how to drive on a motorway.

2. The driver (I was in the car recording, but not driving), was overtaking several cars on the right-hand lane for several minutes before I started recording.

3. The driver then continues to drive on the middle lane, as should be done by a driver that intends to overtake others, before moving to the left lane to overtake slow traffic on the middle lane.

4. The driver then proceeds to overtake traffic on the middle lane using the left lane. You don't need to zig-zag back and forth if you're overtaking a series of cars.

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Three-lane motorway - you should stay in the left-hand lane unless you need to overtake slower moving traffic. To do this you should use the middle lane. If you need to overtake several vehicles then stay in the middle lane. There is no need to weave in and out of the left-hand lane as you overtake individual vehicles.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 12:58 AM   #6055
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Sorry, but that was one of the worst lane hoggings I've seen.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 01:17 AM   #6056
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 02:07 AM   #6057
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I think unclear signing encourages drivers to hog lanes, particularly the middle one (with no doubts most of the drivers did not follow simple; keep right unless overtaking rule, including cameraman's mate). Never mind. In 0:21 we can see 3 lanes ahead and only two arrows over them, the third arrow directing to exit. Maybe it's just me, but I do not find it logical.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 02:17 AM   #6058
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In 0:21 we can see 3 lanes ahead and only two arrows over them, the third arrow directing to exit. Maybe it's just me, but I do not find it logical.
I noticed that too. Not very clear signage...
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 02:40 PM   #6059
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I call it overtaking a series of cars. If the car was driving the same speed as cars in other lanes, then you could call it lane hogging. The car was in the middle lane because, prior to minute 0:00, it was overtaking a series of cars on the right-hand lane. In any case, I have no intention on arguing any further about this point. Just not interested.
now a task for you: go back to that video, count overtaken cars in those two periods that i've mentioned and write it down here.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 05:59 PM   #6060
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I noticed that too. Not very clear signage...
I i feel like insist on this subject... but again I am not a traffic planner. Trucking is huge in this country. On some days and hours the right lane will be clogged with road behemots And you risk to miss your exit or may be tempted to try silly manouvres. That sign means " your exit is not right here but I would start movimg to the right if I was you". The habit sticks even when the right lane is empty.
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