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Old September 26th, 2013, 05:23 PM   #6161
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Where is the "border line" between North and South? I also hear a lot about this, also in Romania. I remember one time, a Romanian told the Italian investor that Romanian work quality is shamefully not so good, but then the Italian said, maybe not compared to the North, but compared to the South it's great and they like working in/with Romania.
Plenty of stereotypes going around....

Lazio, Umbria and Marche are considered North. Campania and Abruzzo are considered South. This has to do with pre-unification issues (the Kingdom of Two Sicilie borders with the Papal State).
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Old September 26th, 2013, 05:26 PM   #6162
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Interesting. I'm not intending to offend, I was really curious.
I usually heard it as North and South of Rome...
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Old September 26th, 2013, 05:28 PM   #6163
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Interesting.
I usually heard it as North and South of Rome...
No.

Historically, the Papal States politics, military affairs and economic development (or lack thereof) were much more tied to the plethora of smaller territories to the North than to what happened in Southern areas, which was consolidated earlier on in the context of French influence and patronage etc. etc.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 05:31 PM   #6164
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Lazio, Umbria and Marche are considered North. Campania and Abruzzo are considered South. This has to do with pre-unification issues (the Kingdom of Two Sicilie borders with the Papal State).
Mmm, nobody here thinks that Latium is North. Tuscany, Marche, Umbria and Latium are Centre. But they're definitely not South, even though in Terracina and Gaeta (south Latium) it feels very "Neapolitan".
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Old September 26th, 2013, 05:38 PM   #6165
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Historically, the Papal States politics, military affairs and economic development (or lack thereof) were much more tied to the plethora of smaller territories to the North than to what happened in Southern areas, which was consolidated earlier on in the context of French influence and patronage etc. etc.
True, but this is not enough. Papal states had also tight ties with France (besides Napoleon) but nothing French remains there.
Rome is much more akin to Naples than to Milan, or Florence.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 05:46 PM   #6166
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Abruzzo and Molise are sometimes included both in the centre, sometimes both in the south, sometimes Abruzzo in the centre and Molise in the south.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 05:47 PM   #6167
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Never heard of Molise in the centre. Abruzzo sometimes, but not Molise
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Old September 26th, 2013, 05:55 PM   #6168
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Abruzzo and Molise are very closely related each other (history, dialect, were a single region until 1963) so it's not easy to split them between centre and south.
Geographically Abruzzo and Molise are at the same latitude of Lazio but their dialects are definitively southern, for this reason it's not easy to classificate them.

Here a map of Italian dialects and languages. As can be seen, there's little or no matching between administrative and linguistic boundaries.

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Old September 26th, 2013, 07:16 PM   #6169
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I don't know if you made this yourself, but first lane is there, dude. Use it sometimes.
If I change lanes too often, the video will be ugly to watch, especially accelerated. So, when I do a movie on a 3 lanes highway with light traffic, I try to change lane as little as possible.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 08:25 PM   #6170
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Old September 26th, 2013, 08:29 PM   #6171
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Your camera is very stable.
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Old September 26th, 2013, 08:33 PM   #6172
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I know this stretch by heart now... as a matter of fact i'm gonna drive there tomorrow.. going to visit parents and relatives...
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Old September 26th, 2013, 09:41 PM   #6173
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Moreover, there is the one of the longest double-tunnel (10173 mt - Gran Sasso) in all EU.
It's the longest double-tube road tunnel in Eurafrica.

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I think rebuilding the highway (which was actually a expressway before) at very high costs to the highest standards in Italy is enough of a help to economic development. Charging tolls to keep the road in good condition is fair.
They will want the old A3 back.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 01:52 AM   #6174
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How to prevent congestion on a central street
https://maps.google.it/maps?q=bellam...210.88,,1,7.13
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Old September 27th, 2013, 08:42 AM   #6175
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Same was done in the central street of Vigo di Fassa
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Old September 27th, 2013, 09:15 AM   #6176
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I would be a mess if they would do this in Romania...

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Old September 27th, 2013, 07:32 PM   #6177
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Same was done in the central street of Vigo di Fassa
It must be very recent, I didn't see anything like that when I went there last year.
I wonder how much more exaust fumes do car waiting the green light produce rather than free-flowing traffic.

Here, main road connecting northern Friuli and northern Veneto with no alternative routes, they didn't put any traffic light (it would be very useful because it's damn narrow and dangerous even for 2 cars, let alone buses and trucks).
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Old September 28th, 2013, 01:15 PM   #6178
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It must be very recent, I didn't see anything like that when I went there last year.
It's possible, Street View still shows the old configuration.

Now the road is one-lane only: the other lane, marked by many flower boxes, is dedicated to bicycles and pedestrians.
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Old September 29th, 2013, 12:06 AM   #6179
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Yes, South is still undeveloped compared to the North, but these "gifts" are not the way to go... some, may I say many, people in the North are sick of this, especially since it wasn't effective in reducing the gap with the North. Without erasing organized crime there's no hope for the South, tolls or no tolls.
It's true.

But one important thing to say is that fuels price in southern italy is more expensive than nothern regions.
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Old September 29th, 2013, 05:37 PM   #6180
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It's true, but not really relevant.
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