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Old August 30th, 2008, 12:53 PM   #601
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Wrong topic? Does this need to be in the Italian forum?
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Old August 30th, 2008, 01:21 PM   #602
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yep... didn't understand a word of it
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Old August 30th, 2008, 05:17 PM   #603
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Thanks for the photos, wyqtor! The views are stunning! I like the inverted photos.

And what an accident; I had no idea; it happened just a few hours after I drove there.
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Old August 30th, 2008, 06:20 PM   #604
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I've created another version of this thread, in the Italian Forums.
This one has been edited to adapt it to other non-italian forum thread groups.
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Old August 30th, 2008, 07:23 PM   #605
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But there is already here thread about italian motorways...
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Old August 30th, 2008, 07:33 PM   #606
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Maybe the point of this thread is in the first rubric!

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I'm opening this thread because maybe many people (mostly italians) care about this motorway linkin' the Messina Strait to Palermo.
Here can be posted news about the management and maintenance of this road. We can discuss for a while this artery that me and other autists run it usually or seldom.
He want's us to discuss this A20 motorway in a severall thread!
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Old August 30th, 2008, 07:35 PM   #607
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It's 2.300 kilometers to Messina from here, so I don't think I will visit Sicily soon. Although it looks like a very nice area.
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Old August 30th, 2008, 09:08 PM   #608
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Maybe the point of this thread is in the first rubric!
He want's us to discuss this A20 motorway in a severall thread!
U wrong, dude; my first intention was to create an italian thread (just done). By now i posted it for mistake, so i prefer to leave this version online in order you can comment it. I'm gonna leave this thread active, also for i cannot delete it.
Should be concerned ?
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Old August 30th, 2008, 09:09 PM   #609
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Universally speaking; this is specific about a single highway, the A20 [E90]. To get to Palermo u must take the A1 "Autostrada Del Sole" from Milan til Naples, then run onto the A3 Napoli-Salerno-Reggio to Villa San Giovanni Exit, and once you are in Messina (on the other side), take the related highway, A20 to Palermo direction. U gotta fuel and money (for toll fee's, stops, refuels, and much more) . But coming over here is up to you.
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Old September 1st, 2008, 05:13 PM   #610
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Wow, that's bad. Why did that truck just move to the left? Was the trucker blacked-out? Well, seeing that explosion, the truth is probably hard to investigate. It surprises me how easy the truck runs through the central barrier. We have those too in the Netherlands, however these kind of accidents almost never happen.
True... infact that was due mostly to the angle of impact, almost at 90°

On highway they normally use to place those two New Jersey elements with soil between 'em to fill and make more stable in case of impact with trucks, when they use concrete barriers, and they're way more effective than steel barrier expeccially against leap-frogging to the opposite carriageway

Though the most effective way to avoid these kind of accidents is American Interstates one: dozen of meters to divide the two carriageways; obviously to do that you need American landscape vastness which allows an extensive use of soil
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Old September 20th, 2008, 06:03 PM   #611
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Some pics of the northern part of Trieste bypass (RA13). The pics are taken from http://www.autobahn-online.de/phorum/read.php?3,107518.

Entering SS202 from Rijeka, continuing for Venice/Venezia.


The missing link of Trieste motorway bypass is U/C.




Unlike many maps show, the RA13 is and has always been a (real) motorway.










Yay.














Sistiana; my mum bathes here a lot.


After Sistiana (exit for the center of Trieste from direction Venice) we're on A4.








The last exit, free of charge.


Pay toll Trieste-Lisert.






Trieste airport.












Junction with A23.




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Old September 20th, 2008, 06:24 PM   #612
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http://lupiros02.lu.funpic.de/s-2008...08-07-4490.JPG

This shows very well what's wrong with the Italian road guidance and signage. If you're not known to the area, or there's a truck driving in front of you, you can't see otherwise but this right lane to exit. I never understood why Italians don't change their signage to something that's more correct.
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Old September 20th, 2008, 06:31 PM   #613
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That's not the only sign ... as per example below ... You'd need to miss 2-3 signs at least
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Old September 20th, 2008, 07:19 PM   #614
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I think he's talking about the sign for going right, as if you won't be able to continue straight forward on the right lane.

Have you guys noticed the same blue BMW at the beginning and the end of the road? Was it you, Chris?
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Old September 20th, 2008, 07:30 PM   #615
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Nice pics Verso
And Chris has a Kangoo
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Ah, right. It must have been you then.
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Old September 21st, 2008, 02:22 AM   #618
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interesting how they mix slovenian and italian names, so there are both Ljubljana and Lubiana, Gorica and Gorizia, Trebiciano and Trebče...
those signs with kilometer marks to the beginning (inizio) of motorway are interesting, but i prefer style with name of interesection and little intersection sign beside
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interesting how they mix slovenian and italian names, so there are both Ljubljana and Lubiana, Gorica and Gorizia
Wait... the signage says Gorizia and Nova Gorica: the first one is a city in Italy and the second one is a Slovenian city

Ok, they are so close that they could even be merged together and their name has the same root 'cause they have a common history (Nova Gorica means New Gorizia: pratically a new settlement off the city of Gorizia when it was founded)
But anyway the signage indicate as Gorizia the Italian city and Nova Gorica the Slovenian one
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Old September 23rd, 2008, 09:16 PM   #620
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Are there any pics of A23 ?
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