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Old September 29th, 2013, 05:42 PM   #6181
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It's true, but not really relevant.
Quote that. Difference isn't more than 1/2 cent per litre. And it changes a lot from station to station. At least here in Rome prices go from 1,920 €/lt. to 1,741€/lt, it depends on where the petrol station is.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 11:08 AM   #6182
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Walter Bellomo, one of the VIA (environmental impact assessment) commissioners for the Autostrada Regionale Cispadana - a motorway that will connect Reggiolo (A22) and Ferrara (A13) - has been arrested on corruption charges. Apparently he used his position to get jobs for himself and his relatives.

For Autostrada Cispadana this is a - possibly fatal - blow.


EDIT: On another note, yesterday CIPE (Inter-ministry committee for economic planning) approved the definitive project for A12 Tirrenica and unlocked 2 billion euros of private financing. Now real works can begin.

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Old September 30th, 2013, 11:35 AM   #6183
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Are you referring to the stretch Livorno - Civitevecchia?
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Old September 30th, 2013, 11:46 AM   #6184
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Are you referring to the stretch Livorno - Civitevecchia?
Actually San Pietro in Palazzi-Tarquinia. Livorno-San Pietro in Palazzi is complete, while Tarquinia-Civitavecchia is already in construction (it was approved by CIPE in 2011).
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Old September 30th, 2013, 12:09 PM   #6185
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Every time I read CIPE approved something, I remember how motivated for symbolic politics there were when they brought progress on the Messina strait bridge to a halt
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Old September 30th, 2013, 01:36 PM   #6186
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I have a questions today:

- Seeing in Google Maps that there is a motorway betweeen A3 and Potenza (E847), is previsted to extend this motorway until Bari or Taranto?

- How many motorway stretches are under construction in Sicily?

Thank you in advance.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 02:02 PM   #6187
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I have a questions today:

- Seeing in Google Maps that there is a motorway betweeen A3 and Potenza (E847), is previsted to extend this motorway until Bari or Taranto?
That's not a motoway, just a so-called "raccordo autostradale", by all means just an expressway, you can see that on Street View:
https://www.google.it/maps?q=potenza...,51.8,,0,15.32

After Potenza, it continues as expressway (SS 407) all the way to Metaponto, near Taranto, ending in SS106, also expressway.

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None, afaik, but A18 works (Rosolini-Modica) are about to start.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 05:01 PM   #6188
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News from Variante di Valico (A1). All tunnels have been completed, except both Val di Sambro (5600 m) tunnels: still to dig 900 m in northbound carriageway, 1100 in southbound carrigeway. Still 12 months of work there.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 05:16 PM   #6189
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News from Variante di Valico (A1). All tunnels have been completed, except both Val di Sambro (5600 m) tunnels: still to dig 900 m in northbound carriageway, 1100 in southbound carrigeway. Still 12 months of work there.
Will they open a part of it, or do we have to wait until the whole work will be completed?
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Old September 30th, 2013, 05:50 PM   #6190
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There were hints that they may open at least one stretch earlier, but I don't see how they could now. What's really possible is that they open the southbound carriageway between Aglio and Barberino in two-direction mode, closing the current A1 for renovation and adaptation to be future northbound carriageway.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 07:43 PM   #6191
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Today 1.7 km of renovated A3 opened in Calabria between Santa Trada and Villa San Giovanni. The whole macro-lot 6 (Scilla-Campo Calabro) is going to be completed before end 2013.
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This was a truly difficult sector (seismic activity, landslide-prone area, troubles with mafia infiltration and even some low-key terrorist attacks on construction sites some years ago). Glad works are now wrapping up.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 08:56 PM   #6193
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Actually San Pietro in Palazzi-Tarquinia. Livorno-San Pietro in Palazzi is complete, while Tarquinia-Civitavecchia is already in construction (it was approved by CIPE in 2011).
Are they going to overhaul the old bumpy SS1 or will it be a new route?
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Old September 30th, 2013, 08:59 PM   #6194
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Are they going to overhaul the old bumpy SS1 or will it be a new route?
Mostly the first. There are some new alignments, for instance near Orbetello, but not many.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 10:01 PM   #6195
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So that's many viaducts to demolish and build again.

Or are they going to put "corsia emergenza mancanza" signs as on the stretch near Cecina?
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Old September 30th, 2013, 11:21 PM   #6196
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So that's many viaducts to demolish and build again.

Or are they going to put "corsia emergenza mancanza" signs as on the stretch near Cecina?
Don't really know, but I guess emergency lane will be on (most of) the motorway.
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Old October 1st, 2013, 10:53 AM   #6197
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Accordig to the definitive project here:
http://www.tirrenica.it/testing/file...corografia.pdf

the autostrada will be 24 m wide for all its course (2 3.75m lanes for direction, 3 m emergency lanes, 3 m internal shoulder.)
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Old October 1st, 2013, 11:43 AM   #6198
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I won't argue the open tolling system (which I personally dislike, but still...) but I feel there will be way too many tolling stations, every 40 km on average, which means that keeping an average speed of 120 km/h you have to stop or slow down to 30 km/h (in case you have Telepass transceiver on board) every 20 min of driving.
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Old October 1st, 2013, 11:47 AM   #6199
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I agree. Problem here is that by converting a non-tolled road into a tolled one, local population will be left with no choice. In this way, many local commutes will remain free and only long trips will be tolled.
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Old October 1st, 2013, 12:00 PM   #6200
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The same would apply with 4 toll stations instead of 7.
E.g. Tarquinia - Fonteblanda - Follonica - Rosignano
The toll would be higher at each station, but there would be less stations altogether and locals could have reductions using Telepass.
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