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Old October 11th, 2013, 08:32 PM   #6241
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I don't understand that practice either. It only makes the files more bulky and quality lower. I've seen this happen in many countries, not just Italy.

Interestingly, they use the term "intersezione olandese" or Dutch interchange. These are a diamond interchange, known as a "Haarlemmermeer" in Dutch after the location they were first used in the 1930s (Haarlemmermeer is a former lake (Haarlem Lake) and a current suburban municipality which contains Schiphol Airport). The Germans call them a "Holländische rampe".
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Old October 12th, 2013, 12:09 PM   #6242
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Never heard of "intersezione olandese".
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Old October 12th, 2013, 12:21 PM   #6243
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I read some interesting details about the new A34:

At Farra d'Isonzo they didn't built a full junction (trumpet), but only an on-ramp towards the A4.

Speed limit on ramps in 50, while is 40 in many older motorways.

They built an off-ramp between Farra d'Isonzo and Gorizia to reach the "autoporto" (truck rest area and custom clearance).

The last meters from Gorizia exit to the border isn't managed by Autovie Venete but by Gorizia comune.

They call "carreggiata nord", the one towards Gorizia and "carreggiata sud" the one towards the A4, while in reality the "carreggiata nord" is located south and vice-versa.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old October 12th, 2013, 12:46 PM   #6244
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They call "carreggiata nord", the one towards Gorizia and "carreggiata sud" the one towards the A4, while in reality the "carreggiata nord" is located south and vice-versa.
"Carreggiata nord" means "carriageway DIRECTION north", so for right hand drive is located south. This is common also for other motorways: Isoradio traffic broadcast uses this all the time.
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Old October 12th, 2013, 12:50 PM   #6245
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"Carreggiata nord" means "carriageway DIRECTION north", so for right hand drive is located south. This is common also for other motorways: Isoradio traffic broadcast uses this all the time.
I know, but the A34 is more W-E than S-N, isn't it?
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Old October 12th, 2013, 01:08 PM   #6246
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As itaystf said the last strech of A34 from roundabout Gorizia to the border is managed by comune di Gorizia, and there are some serious roadworks now. They are replacing asphalt and signalization as well. And if you drive from Gorizia roundabout to Slovenija, there are new traffic signs for LJUBLJANA !!!
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Old October 12th, 2013, 01:10 PM   #6247
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I know, but the A34 is more W-E than S-N, isn't it?
It's SW-NE, actually
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Old October 12th, 2013, 01:27 PM   #6248
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It's SW-NE, actually
Ok, but it's part of a longer W-E route (Venice - Ljubljana), not of a longer N-S one (like Palmanova - Vienna or Ljubljana - Salzburg).
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Old October 12th, 2013, 01:34 PM   #6249
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Perhaps they consider it N-S relative to A4 (E-W).
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Old October 13th, 2013, 02:36 AM   #6250
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The last meters from Gorizia exit to the border isn't managed by Autovie Venete but by Gorizia comune.
oh, that's why the works are late there.
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Old October 14th, 2013, 08:37 PM   #6251
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It is curious that, as is often the case in Italy, official documents are written on a computer, printed, sent by mail to another public/semi-public office or company, scanned, and put on the internet, instead of being transmitted directly in an electronical form
Because the official document is the one with the signature
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Old October 15th, 2013, 05:27 PM   #6252
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According to forumer SvenHassel in the Italian forum, TEEM (Tangenziale Est Esterna Milanese), the external eastern tangenziale of Milan, will officially acquire the denomination A58.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 05:39 PM   #6253
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Old October 15th, 2013, 06:51 PM   #6254
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According to forumer SvenHassel in the Italian forum, TEEM (Tangenziale Est Esterna Milanese), the external eastern tangenziale of Milan, will officially acquire the denomination A58.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=6110
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Old October 15th, 2013, 06:53 PM   #6255
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Since the last tangenziale number in Italy is A57, it was not so wild a guess.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 06:56 PM   #6256
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Finally the A34 Villesse - Gorizia it's fully open:

Tolls will be increased to those entering or leaving the A4 at Villesse (like when you enter\leave the toll-free A28 at Portoguaro or Sacile):

http://www.udine20.it/aperta-autostr...u-care-del-44/
Classe A = cars
Classe cinque = big trucks
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old October 15th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #6257
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This toll increase is totaly unfair for those who will go to new "centro commerciale" and Ikea from A4 (Trieste-Venezia). If they (Autovie Venete) have had previous intensions to increase toll on A34, it will be better that the toll station will be at Gorizia, or Gradisca d'Isonzo... Than the Villesse exit won't need this expensive viaduct, but only simple trumpet exit, in direction of ikea. Overpass for have been alredy done, so you can reach Villesse.
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Old October 15th, 2013, 08:15 PM   #6258
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A4 new alignment works near Bernate Ticino (last July):

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Old October 15th, 2013, 08:37 PM   #6259
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So it's 70 cents more expensive, if you go from Villesse to Trieste, Udine or Portogruaro, but only 60 cents, if you go to Venice? It was weird already before. I think a couple of years ago going from Trieste to Udine was 90 cents more expensive than Gorizia-Udine, but going from Trieste to Venice was 1 euro more expensive than Gorizia-Venice. I guess it's now again ~1 euro more expensive (in case you go from Ljubljana to Venice, you can choose the cheaper option).
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Old October 15th, 2013, 08:54 PM   #6260
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@g.spinoza: sorry, but your pic is too small, can you increase its size? We cannot see anything.
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