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Old October 25th, 2013, 10:51 PM   #6301
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Yesterday a flooding by river Oglio destroyed 75 m of SS 42 in Valcamonica (province Brescia). Today the road was reopened with one lane only.

Just yards away from the new 5 km long Sellero tunnel. Any chance they continue upgrade the road up north? From this point it's really congested, particularly in the ski season.
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Old October 25th, 2013, 11:09 PM   #6302
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Old October 26th, 2013, 12:49 AM   #6303
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Yes, I'm appalled of the progress to implement all-electronic tolling in Europe. Technically it's been possible for decades, and technically it's also possible to bill foreign drivers or drivers without transponders.

All-electronic tolling has so many benefits compared to old school manual toll collection, including lower credit card fees, lower cost of toll collection, lower cost of toll plaza construction, more options for exits, fewer emissions due to stop-and-go at toll plazas, less toll plaza traffic congestion, fewer accidents at toll plazas, etcetera.
I think we should soon convert all manned toll gates into automatic ones (that accept banknotes, coins and cards). A full electronic toll collection based on plate-recognization may be implemented in a further future.
The positive aspect of toll gates if that our motorways don't have many exits near large cities. Side roads ("complanari") for local traffic are built next motorways for example in Bologna, Verona, Padova, Vicenza, Udine, Trento, Bari and Pescara.
When a motorway is used for both urban and long-distance traffic, traffic jams and accidents are common (A4 in Mestre before 2009, A4 in Milan currently).
However, this also prevent small rural towns located near motorways to have their own exit. It would help those rural communities to be better connected with the outside world and to compensate the negative effects of having a motorway passing close.

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Old October 26th, 2013, 01:10 PM   #6304
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Just yards away from the new 5 km long Sellero tunnel. Any chance they continue upgrade the road up north? From this point it's really congested, particularly in the ski season.
Yards? No, not really. The road was interrupted near Sonico, 10 km north.

The idea is to build a C1 road (1+1, no at-grade intersections, 90 km/h limit) all the way to Edolo, but there's no project yet.
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is Italy the only european country which uses all yellow lines in working zones? i like it. even when they finish the road, if there are some works at surrounding, they will leave yellow lines, and they are in proper dimensions, as normal white. all other countries use different smaller dimensions of temporary yellow lines, and they are often just overwritten on white.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 03:21 PM   #6306
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Yards? No, not really. The road was interrupted near Sonico, 10 km north. The idea is to build a C1 road (1+1, no at-grade intersections, 90 km/h limit) all the way to Edolo, but there's no project yet.
really? I don't go up Nort that often, but I remember the 5 km tunnel, a brief stretch of road that soon splits in two, short, single lane tunnels anf than bang, the sonico roundabout. Do you imply I need to cut on weed?
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Old October 26th, 2013, 03:27 PM   #6307
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is Italy the only european country which uses all yellow lines in working zones? i like it. even when they finish the road, if there are some works at surrounding, they will leave yellow lines, and they are in proper dimensions, as normal white. all other countries use different smaller dimensions of temporary yellow lines, and they are often just overwritten on white.
Er... Uhm...I am pretty sure I've seen the same yellow lines last week near Rijeka. And surely in the massive renovation site around the cathedral in Zagreb...




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really? I don't go up Nort that often, but I remember the 5 km tunnel, a brief stretch of road that soon splits in two, short, single lane tunnels anf than bang, the sonico roundabout. Do you imply I need to cut on weed?
I drove SS 42 only once, well, twice (to and fro), and before the 5 km tunnel was opened. I just measured distances on google maps.
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Er... Uhm...I am pretty sure I've seen the same yellow lines last week near Rijeka. And surely in the massive renovation site around the cathedral in Zagreb...
in front of cathedral there is a bus terminal so that must be a reason for yellow lines.
at HR motorways you can see them mostly overwritten over white lines, and they are always thinner and shorter.
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in front of cathedral there is a bus terminal so that must be a reason for yellow lines.
at HR motorways you can see them mostly overwritten over white lines, and they are always thinner and shorter.
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Old October 26th, 2013, 10:16 PM   #6311
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is Italy the only european country which uses all yellow lines in working zones? i like it. even when they finish the road, if there are some works at surrounding, they will leave yellow lines, and they are in proper dimensions, as normal white. all other countries use different smaller dimensions of temporary yellow lines, and they are often just overwritten on white.
No, construction sites in Spain do also have all-yellow lines. Even the speed limit signs have a yellow background instead of the regular (white) one.
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No, construction sites in Spain do also have all-yellow lines. Even the speed limit signs have a yellow background instead of the regular (white) one.
ok, yellow background on signs is not weird, it is spread around the Europe.

here is a good example of what i am talking about. so, the road is completed, there probably won't be any further interventions on it, but there are probably some works remaining around it, so the yellow lines are present.
in the rest of Europe yellow lines indicate only narrow temporary lanes.
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Also in Austria they use them, but they are more orange-ish than ours.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 11:01 AM   #6314
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Also in Austria they use them, but they are more orange-ish than ours.
frankly i have never seen them there. i think they use "german" style, so only on narrow lanes, not where the lanes are standard sized.
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frankly i have never seen them there. i think they use "german" style, so only on narrow lanes, not where the lanes are standard sized.
Yes, I mean when a motorway has reduced lane width for roadworks.
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Yes, I mean when a motorway has reduced lane width for roadworks.
that's normal thing in all european countries. what i want to say, only Italy uses yellow colour on regular width in work zones (when lanes are not narrowed). and verreme mentioned Spain.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 10:57 PM   #6320
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Any plans of a E74 tunnel between Cuneo (Turin) and Nice?

When you look at a map, you can't help but wonder if there has ever been a plan of building a tunnel under the Alpes-Maritimes connecting the Riviera and to north Italian plains.
A tunnel under the Monte Argentera between Nice and Cuneo would make a fast connection between Nice/Riviera/Marsielle and Turin and the rest of northern Italy.
The E74 goes along that route but up in the mountains and isn't that fast.
All heavy traffic today needs to follow the ligurian coast before turing north.

A tunnel between these two could also include a railway.

Is there or has there anytime been plans on something like this?


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Looking at it a little closer I'm thinking the road could begin at the Nice Airport, follow the A8 "La Provencale" for a bit, follow the river Var valley and then become a tunnel until it reaches Borgo San Dalmazzo and Cuneo and connect to the A33.
The tunnel should be about 50 kilometers.
Perhaps a little to long. Maybe the road can go up the mountains a bit before being a tunnel? Or head more east and get out at Limone Piemonte? THat would put the tunnel at 28 kilometers.
I'm just speculating here.


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