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Old October 27th, 2013, 11:17 PM   #6321
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Well, there's Colle di Tenda tunnel.
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Old October 27th, 2013, 11:22 PM   #6322
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Looking at it a little closer I'm thinking the road could begin at the Nice Airport, follow the A8 "La Provencale" for a bit, follow the river Var valley and then become a tunnel until it reaches Borgo San Dalmazzo and Cuneo and connect to the A33.
The tunnel should be about 50 kilometers.
Perhaps a little to long. Maybe the road can go up the mountains a bit before being a tunnel? Or head more east and get out at Limone Piemonte? THat would put the tunnel at 28 kilometers.
I'm just speculating here.

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Old October 27th, 2013, 11:39 PM   #6323
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Also in Austria they use them, but they are more orange-ish than ours.
Wow. I hated it, when Austria used yellow median and white sides. You couldn't see crap in the rain. I am old enough to re,ember when Italy was white median and yellow sides, though. Still miss it.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 12:26 AM   #6324
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Wow. I hated it, when Austria used yellow median and white sides. You couldn't see crap in the rain. I am old enough to re,ember when Italy was white median and yellow sides, though. Still miss it.
Yes, until 1992. Many things of our signage changed in that year, with the new highway code.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 12:31 AM   #6325
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It seems that the uppermost (and smootest) lay of asphalt hasn't been layed yet. Yellow lines mean construction zone, thus lower speed limit (possible rough pavement). It would be stupid to paint yellow lines over the permanent new asphalt since it's difficult to remove them.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 02:04 AM   #6326
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I think both countries agev up their yellow standard road markings for European comformity. Yugoslavia used yellow side markings, too, and most African an Arab countries still do, as well as Israel.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 10:18 AM   #6327
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When you look at a map, you can't help but wonder if there has ever been a plan of building a tunnel under the Alpes-Maritimes connecting the Riviera and to north Italian plains.
A tunnel under the Monte Argentera between Nice and Cuneo would make a fast connection between Nice/Riviera/Marsielle and Turin and the rest of northern Italy.
The E74 goes along that route but up in the mountains and isn't that fast.
All heavy traffic today needs to follow the ligurian coast before turing north.

A tunnel between these two could also include a railway.

Is there or has there anytime been plans on something like this?
There was. It was the so-called "Mercantour tunnel" or "Ciriegia-Mercantour tunnel" and at its longest it was planned as 17 km long, but also a 7.3 km project was presented. It was proposed in the 90s and recently revived by president of province Cuneo.

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Old October 28th, 2013, 11:53 AM   #6328
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It would be stupid to paint yellow lines over the permanent new asphalt since it's difficult to remove them.
They do it quite often, unfortunately.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 12:17 PM   #6329
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[QUOTE=g.spinoza;108333675]There was. It was the so-called "Mercantour tunnel" or "Ciriegia-Mercantour tunnel" and at its longest it was planned as 17 km long, but also a 7.3 km project was presented. It was proposed in the 90s and recently revived by president of province Cuneo.

Thanks, they mentioned it in the France Highway forum.
But I find suprisingly little information about it when googling.

It as recently reviewed; alas not dead? Great!
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Old October 28th, 2013, 01:07 PM   #6330
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There was. It was the so-called "Mercantour tunnel" or "Ciriegia-Mercantour tunnel" and at its longest it was planned as 17 km long, but also a 7.3 km project was presented. It was proposed in the 90s and recently revived by president of province Cuneo.

Which project has revived, Cuneo-Nice or Ceva-Albenga? Would it be a 2x2 road ("motorway") or only a 2-laned (maybe particularly 3- or 4-laned) road?

Do you have any information about the current AADT on E74 or about the predicted AADT on the future road?

Are both sides (Italy and France) interested in upgrading that connection?
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Old October 28th, 2013, 01:22 PM   #6331
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Are both sides (Italy and France) interested in upgrading that connection?
The Mercantour? Not seriously.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 01:31 PM   #6332
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Which project has revived, Cuneo-Nice or Ceva-Albenga? Would it be a 2x2 road ("motorway") or only a 2-laned (maybe particularly 3- or 4-laned) road?
Las I heard of Ceva-Albenga was a seriously downsized project, but I can't remember the exact terms.

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Do you have any information about the current AADT on E74 or about the predicted AADT on the future road?
Unfortunately, no.

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Are both sides (Italy and France) interested in upgrading that connection?
There was a moment in the not-so-distant past (maybe 2008 or so) when France - or at least Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur - expressed some interest. But for the time being there are no serious talks.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 01:47 PM   #6333
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Las I heard of Ceva-Albenga was a seriously downsized project, but I can't remember the exact terms.
Ok, but why have you written: "recently revived by president of province Cuneo."

I guess the president spoke out a wish but there are no serious intentions, aren't they.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 03:18 PM   #6334
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To be a serious intention it should be national issue with governement approval and State money (at least they do not find other contributors which is unlikely)

Then it's not a serious thing
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Old October 28th, 2013, 03:28 PM   #6335
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The French government produced Mobilite 21 ( the Duron report) in the summer. The only transalpine project is the Lyons - Turinn TGV at a cost of €8bn and that is not a 1st rank priority. This report lists all French infrastructure priorities out to 2030 and ranks them.

The only (low priority) road project in that region is the completion of the A51 Gap - Grenoble motorway but for now they will perhaps scratch at the N 85 to improve it. Railways will swallow most of the cash for many years to come in France it seems. Even a change of government may change the priority rankings but not add too many new projects to this list.

It is here, Google Chrome will translate it for you.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/150366153/Rapport-Mobilite-21
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Old October 28th, 2013, 04:42 PM   #6336
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Ok, but why have you written: "recently revived by president of province Cuneo."

I guess the president spoke out a wish but there are no serious intentions, aren't they.
I was referring to Mercantour tunnel, not Albenga-Ceva. And yes, president of Province Cuneo said it was necessary to build it, but I don't remember anyone replying.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 05:05 PM   #6337
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I think it's too expensive to construct this link for low traffic. It would only serve Nice - Torino. Nice - Milano and points east are already served via A10-A7.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 05:27 PM   #6338
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I think it's too expensive to construct this link for low traffic. It would only serve Nice - Torino. Nice - Milano and points east are already served via A10-A7.
A10-A7 are collapsing, though. One carriageway of A7 was built in 1935 and it is really substandard. Upgrading A10-A7 would be very costly, and I don't think a bypass of some kind would be useless.
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Old October 28th, 2013, 05:53 PM   #6339
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Half of the A7 was built in 1935 the other half is more recent. A half profile motorway bypass to the west might suffice, converting to S2 once the rebuild is complete.
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Ok, but what about A10 near Genova? All through traffic from South France has to pass there, in order to reach Northern Italy. And A10 west of it is terrible.
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