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Old November 6th, 2013, 04:26 PM   #6361
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Good job on the video quite spectacular. A10 is substandard for a motorway though. There are many expressways in other countries that are significantly better designed than A10.
but I doubt there are some better expressways on such terrain
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Old November 6th, 2013, 11:46 PM   #6362
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Good job on the video quite spectacular. A10 is substandard for a motorway though. There are many expressways in other countries that are significantly better designed than A10.
In my opinion, judging from available road movies, in general design most Tokyo expressways are not much different to Genova A10. Improving A10 to modern motorway standards would demand really massive investments and many full closures of existing motorway during reconstruction. I think that full size reconstruction will never happen as there is no economically feasible reason to do that.

However some things could be done already now like new concrete lining of tunnel tubes because now they look like some old railway tunnels, additional SOS bays, some better signalling (horizontal and vertical).
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Old November 7th, 2013, 11:05 AM   #6363
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Nothing as bad as the coast road France to around Pisa is designated as a Motorway anywhere else in Europe. It is OK as a 100kph expressway but is not an expressway is it?
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Old November 7th, 2013, 08:27 PM   #6364
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It's a dual-carriageway road with grade-separated junctions and restricted to motor vehicles, so it is indeed a motorway or expressway.
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Old November 8th, 2013, 01:08 PM   #6365
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A3 renovation work progress

New map (October 2013) of status of renovation works on A3

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green = works completed
yellow = works ongoing
orange = preliminary/preparatory works
blue = contract tender in process
red = final design/financing pending
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Old November 8th, 2013, 01:11 PM   #6366
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More from Italian forum: alignment of future A18 to Gela

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Il tracciato della Siracusa-Gela a partire dai prossimi lotti fino a Gela:


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Old November 8th, 2013, 04:32 PM   #6367
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CIPE (Interministry committee for economic planning) just approved the project for toll road (free flow system) Orte-Mestre (E45), 396 km for 7.2 billion euro. It will consist of 281 km of autostrada and 115 km of superstrada; works will start in 2015 and last at least until 2021.

http://www.lestradedellinformazione....colo13891.html

I'm not buying that, not in the slightest bit.
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Old November 8th, 2013, 05:16 PM   #6368
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Will it go through Perugia and Ravenna ?
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Old November 8th, 2013, 06:02 PM   #6369
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I think so, it will follow very closely current E45 (SS3bis).
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Old November 8th, 2013, 09:34 PM   #6370
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This means that enitrely new motorway will be built parralel to current E45? Wouldn't be much cheaper to just upgrade E45 which does not have much capacity problems except near Adriatic coast?
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Old November 8th, 2013, 09:59 PM   #6371
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This means that enitrely new motorway will be built parralel to current E45? Wouldn't be much cheaper to just upgrade E45 which does not have much capacity problems except near Adriatic coast?
It will be an upgrade orte to Cessna, new from there to Venice
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Old November 9th, 2013, 12:12 AM   #6372
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The real priority it's a new motorway Venice-Ravenna. The upgrading of the Ravenna - Orte section could wait, since there is already an expressway.
It would be already nice if 2021 will be the beginning of the works...
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Old November 9th, 2013, 12:24 PM   #6373
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The real priority it's a new motorway Venice-Ravenna. The upgrading of the Ravenna - Orte section could wait, since there is already an expressway.
It would be already nice if 2021 will be the beginning of the works...
The Ravenna - Orte section expressway (SS3) is in bad condition in some places. It`s the best time to rebuild it
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is Mestre - Ravenna going to be connected directly to passante di Mestre, or only to A57?
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SS106 - new sector opening in Calabria

SS106 is undergoing a long and large-scale renovation, widening and realignment program in Calabria. On Nov 21st they will open a new sector between Marina de Gioiosa Ionica and Gerace.


Source: ANAS

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Green - works completed or sectors already modernized on previous investment programs
Yellow - works ongoing
Brown - preliminary works / preparation for start of construction
Light Blue - tender process ongoing
Purple - contracts rescinded due to judicial procedures
Red - definitive design and/or funding pending

The sector opening is part of the yellow one on the Southernmost part of the map.

Parts of the new alignment can be seen on Google Maps

The SS106 is the less known sister project of A3. It will ultimately provide almost-entirely expressway-grade travel between Reggio Calabria and Taranto. It has several expressway connections with A3 forming a "grid" in Calabria and Basilicata. However, SS106 is very different: it goes mostly through gentle coastal plains or hills, at low or sea level elevations. The coast there is very different, most towns and cities are sprawled along the coast, there are many beach resorts.

There is a tunnel on this new sector:
Source: La Livrea Online
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Old November 9th, 2013, 04:11 PM   #6376
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Unfortunately I think there will be several decades before seeing the SS106 completed.

Back in the 60s they should have built a motorway Salerno - Sibari - Crotone - Catanzaro - Reggio di Calabria, instead of the present-day A3 through the harsh Appennines and Thyrrenian coast. It would have been longer but easier to built and upgrade because of the more flat terrain. They should also have connected it with A14 in Taranto.
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That would have added some 110 km to total length!

What is debatable is the alignment between Lamezia/Catanzaro and Reggio Calabria.
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is Mestre - Ravenna going to be connected directly to passante di Mestre, or only to A57?
Nobody actually knows. This is one of the most debated issues for this motorway.
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That would have added some 110 km to total length!

What is debatable is the alignment between Lamezia/Catanzaro and Reggio Calabria.
They could also have built it entirely along the west coast (skipping Cosenza and the harsh Appennines). They wouldn't need tho climb till 1000m (with consequent snow problems in winter) and it also would have been shorter.

Past Lamezia, they could have turned east to Catanzaro and continued south along the east coast. Just a little longer than the current A3 Lamezia - Reggio.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 10:55 PM   #6380
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google thinks A34 is also A17

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