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Old November 15th, 2013, 07:54 PM   #6381
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google thinks A34 is also A17
And for some time A4 was also A15!
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Old November 20th, 2013, 10:44 AM   #6382
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Very bad weather (6 months worth of rain fell in 24 hours) caused widespread destruction in northern Sardinia, with floodings and building failures. A bridge on a local road collapsed causing a police car escorting an ambulance to fall and a policeman to die:







A total of 16 people died.
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Old November 20th, 2013, 04:40 PM   #6383
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What a havoc.
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Old November 21st, 2013, 12:39 PM   #6384
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Construction tender of Autostrada Nogara-seaside (from A22 to current E55, future Autostrada Romea near Adria) has been awarded to an ATI (temporary consortium) composed by Autostrada Brescia Verona Vicenza Padova spa, Confederazione Autostrade spa, Societā delle Autostrade Serenissima spa, Astaldi Concessioni srl, Impresa di Costruzioni Mantovani spa, Itinera spa, Technical spa and Sina spa. This ATI will build and manage the 107-km-long motorway. It will connect also with A31 and A13. The whole motorway will costs 1.877 billion euro.

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Old November 21st, 2013, 12:48 PM   #6385
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Fortunately the section between Legnago and the A13 is already built as expressway (SS434) so they don't need to build it from scratch.

(I think that the "Sistema tangenziali venete", an expressway from Brescia to Padova next the A4, is pure science fiction.)
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Old November 21st, 2013, 12:50 PM   #6386
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is Mestre - Ravenna going to be connected directly to passante di Mestre, or only to A57?
According to the map above, it should be connected with the A4\A57 interchange near Dolo.
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Old November 21st, 2013, 12:52 PM   #6387
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(previous post by italystf) But you cannot close down the existing road and work freely, so works are going to last longer.

This is a trend about motorway construction today in Italy: enlarging and tolling previous freeways. Can't say I favour it...
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Old November 21st, 2013, 01:05 PM   #6388
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(previous post by italystf) But you cannot close down the existing road and work freely, so works are going to last longer.

This is a trend about motorway construction today in Italy: enlarging and tolling previous freeways. Can't say I favour it...
I think that part will remain open as 1+1 during upgrade works, like the RA17\A34 before opening.
Works may last longer but costs are lower if you enlarge an existing highway. Especially land expropriation costs. There are no tunnels or important bridges o this section, that are very expensive to upgrade.
Obviously commuters who travel that road often will be angry about tolls and they will congest parallel local roads to avoid paying.
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Old November 21st, 2013, 03:11 PM   #6389
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(I think that the "Sistema tangenziali venete", an expressway from Brescia to Padova next the A4, is pure science fiction.)
What would be the point of it anyway? Because of industry?
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Old November 21st, 2013, 03:51 PM   #6390
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SS 640 Agrigento-Caltanissetta (Sicily)

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Old November 21st, 2013, 04:20 PM   #6391
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When completed, SS 640 is going to be one of the most scenic expressways in Italy.
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Old November 21st, 2013, 04:23 PM   #6392
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What would be the point of it anyway? Because of industry?
Yes, A4 runs through a very populated and industrialized area, so they want to have an alternate route to decongest it.
There are already toll-free expressways around Brescia, Verona, Vicenza and Padova but not between them.
In practice this project will link all the existing tangenziali together creating an unique toll-free motor\expressway between Brescia and Padova.
I guess that, if they'll ever built that, most of the traffic will choose the free alternative, that, being 2+2 instead of 3+3, will be extremely congested.
The A4 from Brescia to Quarto d'Altino is already 3x2 all the way and it's not dramatically congested, at least compared to the still 4-lane A4 from Quarto d'Altino to Trieste-Lisert. Plus, the "Pedemontana Veneta" (already U/C) and, much later, the "Pedemontana Friulana" (link Pordenone - Gemona, unfortunately still in planning stage) will alleviate traffic problems on the A4.
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Old November 21st, 2013, 04:36 PM   #6393
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In practice this project will link all the existing tangenziali together creating an unique toll-free motor\expressway between Brescia and Padova.
It is going to be tolled.

http://www.otinordest.it/it-it/infra...enziali-venete
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Old November 21st, 2013, 04:41 PM   #6394
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While there are many works on NE Italy, few projects are going on on Piemonte. The major project (A33 Asti-Cuneo) drags on and on (notwithstanding its indirect alignment). A new alignment Milano-Mortara-Casale Monferrato is just a dream. Extending A55 southwards to Cuneo (so that it links the several valleys out there perpendicularly).


Then there are, of course, dream projects that will never be realized, like a sopraelevata alongside the riverfront in Torino connecting A6 and A4 termini
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Old November 21st, 2013, 04:42 PM   #6395
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Then there are, of course, dream projects that will never be realized, like a sopraelevata alongside the riverfront in Torino
I'd call that "nightmare project".
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Old November 21st, 2013, 04:43 PM   #6396
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I'd call that "nightmare project".
"nightmare" isn't evil enough.
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Old November 21st, 2013, 04:47 PM   #6397
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Well, unfortunately there is an hysterical reaction against elevated expressways in Italy, even if it would be possible as it indeed is to build them with much nicer aesthetics than in the 1960s.
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Piedmont has already a dense network compared to Lombardy and Veneto (yes, those two regions have already many motorways but still not enough for their population density and industrialization).
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Not to mention the fact that part of it, A6 between A4 and Corso Trieste, already is a sopraelevata near Po.
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Well, unfortunately there is an hysterical reaction against elevated expressways in Italy, even if it would be possible as it indeed is to build them with much nicer aesthetics than in the 1960s.
No, thanks. If you really need a motorway through a city better built it underground.
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