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Old December 5th, 2013, 06:16 PM   #6461
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40 km of tunnels? When were they all dug (not digged)?
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(archaic) Simple past tense and past participle of dig.
Archaic, not wrong.

Anyway, works on SS77 started in November 2009.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #6462
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So they were all dug in the last 4 years? I had no idea!
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Old December 5th, 2013, 06:48 PM   #6463
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So they were all dug in the last 4 years? I had no idea!
Marche is one of the most unknown regions in Italy, for Italians too. Nobody knows what's going on there, very few care. Sigh, my homeplace.

I remember many years ago I invited a couple of friends from the university to stay over at my house in Marche. One of them (she was from Lombardy) said "I wonder what local news are like... maybe the headline is all about someone growing a giant pumpkin in his backyard".
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Old December 5th, 2013, 07:27 PM   #6464
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40 km of tunnels? When were they all dug (not digged)?
Actual exact figure is 42,869 km. Here's the list:

nord sud
Belfiore 1.101 1.109
Pale 2.391 2.319
Sostino 2.821 2.834
La Franca 1.052 1.075
Cupigliolo 2.180 2.100
La Palude 1.166 1.220
Varano 3.455 3.472
Serravalle 1.341 1.341
Bavareto 1.717 1.661
Muccia 2.126 2.206
Costafiore 565 552
Maddalena 670 574
Rocchetta 841 980
Totale km 42.869
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Old December 5th, 2013, 08:54 PM   #6465
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That's amazing, but was all that really necessary? What does the road connect and what is the old road like?
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Old December 5th, 2013, 09:02 PM   #6466
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That's amazing, but was all that really necessary? What does the road connect and what is the old road like?
I'm afraid it was necessary. The old road climbed up to more than 800 m and it was (is) very winding at times. It is also widely used as it's the fastest route to Rome for much of Marche, together with SS76.

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Old December 5th, 2013, 09:03 PM   #6467
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Interesting project. Google Earth has some recent imagery, chiefly on the Umbria side. Current SS77 has hairpin turns near Casenove.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 09:04 PM   #6468
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So they were all dug in the last 4 years? I had no idea!
There's not much rumour when a breakthrough is completed, only when the highway opens to traffic.

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That's amazing, but was all that really necessary? What does the road connect and what is the old road like?
Only slow mountain roads currently link Umbria and Marche. There are no East-West fast links across the Appennines between Bologna and Rome.
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Old December 5th, 2013, 09:05 PM   #6469
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Only slow mountain roads currently link Umbria and Marche. There are no East-West fast links across the Appennines between Bologna and Rome.
Well, there's SS3bis Tiberina... But that's true about Marche, SS76 works are stopped, SS73bis works are stopped (with the 6 km Guinza tunnel completed and never linked), Cornello tunnel works are stopped for good...
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Old December 5th, 2013, 10:40 PM   #6470
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Well, there's SS3bis Tiberina... But that's true about Marche, SS76 works are stopped, SS73bis works are stopped (with the 6 km Guinza tunnel completed and never linked), Cornello tunnel works are stopped for good...
The SS3bis\E45 is a more North-South route.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 10:50 AM   #6471
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The SS3bis\E45 is a more North-South route.
And so is A1 between Bologna and Firenze, yet you mentioned it.

As far as I'm concerned, North-South and East-West in Italy do not really exist. There are "on the same side of Apennines" or "crossing the Apennines".
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Old December 6th, 2013, 11:48 AM   #6472
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The project Quadrilatero will be a revolution for central Italy once complited

Regions today very close like Marche and Umbria-Tuscany will be finally linked. Today each of these regions communicate much more on the north-south axis than among themselves (unlike say, Abruzzo and Lazio, which are well linked)

Even just one axis completed will start achieving that. 2 will do much more. If also the Arezzo-Fano could be completed we will have perfect simbiosys
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Old December 6th, 2013, 12:27 PM   #6473
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Dynamic third lane is going to be activated (provisionally) on A22 between Trento Centro and Rovereto Nord, next Sunday 8 December.

http://trentinocorrierealpi.gelocal....mica-1.8214858
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Old December 6th, 2013, 02:15 PM   #6474
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Etna view from Highway Catania-Siracusa

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Old December 6th, 2013, 02:41 PM   #6475
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Amazing pics. Snow is a bit dangerous with this heightened Etna activity though. A stronger eruption might produce serious flood.

Now if they only stop this stupidity and do away with this Autostrada Catania-Siracusa bizarre (non)numbering.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 05:31 PM   #6476
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And so is A1 between Bologna and Firenze, yet you mentioned it.

As far as I'm concerned, North-South and East-West in Italy do not really exist. There are "on the same side of Apennines" or "crossing the Apennines".
The peninsular part of Italy starts roughly at the latitude of Bologna. I was saying that currently there isn't a single motorway\expressway connecting the Adriatic with the Tyrrenian coasts all the way from where the peninsula starts (motorway route Ravenna - Bologna - Florence - Pisa) to the Lazio\Abruzzo latitude (route Giulianova - Teramo - L'Aquila - Rome - Fiumicino).
The SS3bis does cross the Appennines but does not connect the Adriatic with the Tyrrenian coast, unless they'll extend it from Orte to Civitavecchia.

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Old December 6th, 2013, 10:33 PM   #6477
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What about A24, A25 and A16?
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Old December 6th, 2013, 10:39 PM   #6478
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What about A24, A25 and A16?
Giulianova - Teramo - L'Aquila - Roma is A24.

Yes, from Bologna to the bottom of the country, there are only 2 and a half higways connecting east with west. (A24/25 is 1 and a half, A16 the other one).

From Firenze to Ancona, you have either to go through Bologna, or through A1 - Bettolle - Perugia - SS76.

I think that this is unacceptable.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 11:02 PM   #6479
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Further south we have the E847 and E848 as "coast-to-coast" fast roads. However, the last part of E847 towards the Ionian coast lacks median (however it's 4-lane and grade-separated) and the E848 doesn't connect directly with the E90\SS106 but you have to go through Catanzaro.
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Old December 9th, 2013, 08:00 PM   #6480
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Were some posts lost? I posted here some pics of Pedemontana lombarda but they're gone...


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