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Old December 9th, 2013, 08:00 PM   #6481
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Old December 9th, 2013, 11:02 PM   #6482
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I'm thinking it is time for Sardegna to come up with a serious proposal to toll some roads and make them into highways. At least a Y between Cagliaria, Sassaria and Olbia should have full highway status.

As Sicilia improves its network (full completion of A19, new highway to Gela), the road network of Sardegna looks even more inadequate by the day.
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Old December 9th, 2013, 11:11 PM   #6483
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As Sicilia improves its network (full completion of A19, new highway to Gela), the road network of Sardegna looks even more inadequate by the day.
How would you extend the A19? It's already completed between Palermo and Catania.
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Old December 9th, 2013, 11:54 PM   #6484
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I'm thinking it is time for Sardegna to come up with a serious proposal to toll some roads and make them into highways. At least a Y between Cagliaria, Sassaria and Olbia should have full highway status.

As Sicilia improves its network (full completion of A19, new highway to Gela), the road network of Sardegna looks even more inadequate by the day.
Don't forget that this entire Y of Sardegna already is a superstrada, and that improvements on its construction are ongoing. Not always as quick as you may want to, but by no means slower than what you see on Sicily. Slowly but surely the entire SS131/131dir is turning from a dual carriageway into a true motorway-like road. It's just toll-free and is expected to stay thay way. Any issues with that type of funding?
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Old December 10th, 2013, 12:15 AM   #6485
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At least a Y between Cagliaria, Sassaria and Olbia should have full highway status.
I believe it's Cagliari and Sassari.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 12:33 AM   #6486
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Don't forget that this entire Y of Sardegna already is a superstrada, and that improvements on its construction are ongoing. Not always as quick as you may want to, but by no means slower than what you see on Sicily. Slowly but surely the entire SS131/131dir is turning from a dual carriageway into a true motorway-like road. It's just toll-free and is expected to stay thay way. Any issues with that type of funding?
No, unfortunately part of the Sardinian Y has still at-grade intersections with other roads. Some parts, instead, are classificated as "Strada extraurbana principale - categoria B" and have 110 speed limit.

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Don't forget that this entire Y of Sardegna already is a superstrada, and that improvements on its construction are ongoing. Not always as quick as you may want to, but by no means slower than what you see on Sicily. Slowly but surely the entire SS131/131dir is turning from a dual carriageway into a true motorway-like road. It's just toll-free and is expected to stay thay way. Any issues with that type of funding?
Currently all ANAS-managed roads are toll-free, albeit there were discussions about introducing some free-flow tolls on some autostrade and raccordi.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 12:38 AM   #6487
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How would you extend the A19?
I mean that its completion is sign of expansion of highway network in Sicilia.

Sardegna is blue territory What bothers me most, though, are at-grade dangerous intersections
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Old December 10th, 2013, 12:45 AM   #6488
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A19 was probably completed 30-40 years ago (except the "asse attrezzato di Catania" that isn't officially part of the A19 but de facto it is). The new ones (opened in the 2000s) are the A20 Messina - Palermo and the A18 Catania - Siracusa - Rosolini (that isn't entirely called A18 but has a crazy numbering alternance).
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Old December 10th, 2013, 01:41 PM   #6489
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Provisional opening of dynamic third lane on A22, between Trento Centro and Rovereto Nord, last 8 december was a complete success, technical manager of Autostrada del Brennero says. It has been activated at 14.30 when the threshold of 2200 vehicles/hour was overcome, and it withstood a peak of 3900 vehicles/hour without major issues. It was closed down at 16.45 when the traffic diminished.

Technicians are now working on the stretch Rovereto Nord-Affi: emergency lane is already 3.5 m wide, they just have to build and test the VMS system.

http://online.stradeeautostrade.it/n...00013121099001
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Old December 10th, 2013, 01:51 PM   #6490
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That is a really long stretch, it is likely the longest stretch of shoulder running in Europe. Trento - Affi is 70 kilometers long.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 01:58 PM   #6491
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Today, at 11 o'clock, a 4.7 stretch of SS79bis road (Terni-Rieti route) was opened in Central Italy, between junctions Valnerina and SS79. The road is C1 type (no at-grade intersections, 1+1 lanes, general speed limit 90 km/h), its major pieces of engineering are tunnel Valnerina (3694 m) and bridge Marmore (300 m).

Works were started in 2006 and a first stretch Terni Est-Valnerina was opened in July 2011. The stretch opened today costed 90 M€, while the entire stretch costed 213 M€.

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More pics here:
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Old December 10th, 2013, 02:20 PM   #6492
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I suspect OSM is not entirely accurate on this route...
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Old December 10th, 2013, 02:30 PM   #6493
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Google Maps isn't either. SS79 is led via the old route via Villagio Santa Maria, signs indicate SS79 runs across the newer express road via Contigliano.
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Old December 10th, 2013, 03:03 PM   #6494
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Provisional opening of dynamic third lane on A22, between Trento Centro and Rovereto Nord, last 8 december was a complete success, technical manager of Autostrada del Brennero says. It has been activated at 14.30 when the threshold of 2200 vehicles/hour was overcome, and it withstood a peak of 3900 vehicles/hour without major issues. It was closed down at 16.45 when the traffic diminished. Technicians are now working on the stretch Rovereto Nord-Affi: emergency lane is already 3.5 m wide, they just have to build and test the VMS system. http://online.stradeeautostrade.it/n...00013121099001
How they organized the carriageways? I've seen something similar on D1 between Bratislava and R1 junction,
https://maps.************/m/streetvie...238655996,,0,0
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Old December 10th, 2013, 03:08 PM   #6495
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How would you extend the A19? It's already completed between Palermo and Catania.
I think he means the completing of A18 Siracusa-Gela (from Rosolini to Gela) and not A19 Palermo-Catania.




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A19 was probably completed 30-40 years ago (except the "asse attrezzato di Catania" that isn't officially part of the A19 but de facto it is). The new ones (opened in the 2000s) are the A20 Messina - Palermo and the A18 Catania - Siracusa - Rosolini (that isn't entirely called A18 but has a crazy numbering alternance).
Yep.
A19 was completed definitly in 1975, and the 'asse attrezzato di Catania' was completed in 2010. --> http://www.comune.catania.it/informa....aspx?cs=15496

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Ottimo!!!

E' importante quest'opera per la periferia Sud e per Catania tutta, già prevista dal ORG Piccinato per congiungere gli ipotizzati (e mai realizzati) centri direzionali di Ognina-Picanello, Cibali e la città satellite di Librino.

Al momento invece l'asse attrezzato partirà dall'A19, congiungerà Librino e San Giorgio al corso indipendenza, con caratteristiche di autostrada a 6 corsie nel tratto di Librino, per diventare una strada a 2 corsie dopo lo svincolo della Via Fossa della Creta.

Al momento il tratto a 3 corsie è l'unico ultimato. I lavori di cui sopra interessano l'innesto con l'A19 e il completamento del viadotto che dalla Fossa Creta porterà in C.so Indipendenza sorpassando via Palermo.

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In mappa ho indicato sia la posizione dei previsti Ospedale San Marco (che andrà a delocalizzare l'attuale Ospedale Vittorio Emanuele dal centro storico) e la futura stazione dei VV.FF., ma anche ho indicato l'area prevista a Librino come papabile per ospitare il nuovo stadio
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Old December 10th, 2013, 03:16 PM   #6496
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As Sicilia improves its network (full completion of A19, new highway to Gela), the road network of Sardegna looks even more inadequate by the day.
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I mean that its completion is sign of expansion of highway network in Sicilia.
In Sicily a few years ago talking about the closure of '"ring road" with the project of the motorway (or freeway) 'Gela-Agrigento-Castelvetrano (A29)' .
There is already a 'first project':




This ipotetic road following (more or less) the actually SS 115 Siracusa-Trapani

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Old December 10th, 2013, 04:55 PM   #6498
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Old December 11th, 2013, 02:58 AM   #6499
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Speaking of Sardegna; has there ever been a proposal of a bridge/tunnel between Corsica and Sardegna?

The distance is about 12 km; a little shorter than the Öresundsbridge/tunnel between Sweden and Denmark.
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Speaking of Sardegna; has there ever been a proposal of a bridge/tunnel between Corsica and Sardegna?

The distance is about 12 km; a little shorter than the Öresundsbridge/tunnel between Sweden and Denmark.
The sea floor there is very different than the flat shallow sediment-soil profile of the sea near Denmark.
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