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Old December 11th, 2013, 09:30 AM   #6501
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The sea floor there is very different than the flat shallow sediment-soil profile of the sea near Denmark.
And the traffic is much lower than between Central Europe and Scandinavia.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 09:43 AM   #6502
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Sure.

Italian priority should be re-starting the Messina Strait bridge. That is a project worth the cost, and one that is much in need!
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Old December 11th, 2013, 09:59 AM   #6503
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Speaking of Sardegna; has there ever been a proposal of a bridge/tunnel between Corsica and Sardegna?
Not that I know of.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 12:55 PM   #6504
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When you look at a map, you can't help but wonder if there has ever been a plan of building a tunnel under the Alpes-Maritimes connecting the Riviera and to north Italian plains.
A tunnel under the Monte Argentera between Nice and Cuneo would make a fast connection between Nice/Riviera/Marsielle and Turin and the rest of northern Italy.
The E74 goes along that route but up in the mountains and isn't that fast.
All heavy traffic today needs to follow the ligurian coast before turing north.

A tunnel between these two could also include a railway.

Is there or has there anytime been plans on something like this?


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Looking at it a little closer I'm thinking the road could begin at the Nice Airport, follow the A8 "La Provencale" for a bit, follow the river Var valley and then become a tunnel until it reaches Borgo San Dalmazzo and Cuneo and connect to the A33.
The tunnel should be about 50 kilometers.
Perhaps a little to long. Maybe the road can go up the mountains a bit before being a tunnel? Or head more east and get out at Limone Piemonte? THat would put the tunnel at 28 kilometers.
I'm just speculating here.

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Well, there's Colle di Tenda tunnel.
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There was. It was the so-called "Mercantour tunnel" or "Ciriegia-Mercantour tunnel" and at its longest it was planned as 17 km long, but also a 7.3 km project was presented. It was proposed in the 90s and recently revived by president of province Cuneo.

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There was. It was the so-called "Mercantour tunnel" or "Ciriegia-Mercantour tunnel" and at its longest it was planned as 17 km long, but also a 7.3 km project was presented. It was proposed in the 90s and recently revived by president of province Cuneo.

Thanks, they mentioned it in the France Highway forum.
But I find suprisingly little information about it when googling.

It as recently reviewed; alas not dead? Great!
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Which project has revived, Cuneo-Nice or Ceva-Albenga? Would it be a 2x2 road ("motorway") or only a 2-laned (maybe particularly 3- or 4-laned) road?

Do you have any information about the current AADT on E74 or about the predicted AADT on the future road?

Are both sides (Italy and France) interested in upgrading that connection?
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The Mercantour? Not seriously.
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Las I heard of Ceva-Albenga was a seriously downsized project, but I can't remember the exact terms.



Unfortunately, no.



There was a moment in the not-so-distant past (maybe 2008 or so) when France - or at least Provence-Alpes-Cte d'Azur - expressed some interest. But for the time being there are no serious talks.
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Ok, but why have you written: "recently revived by president of province Cuneo."

I guess the president spoke out a wish but there are no serious intentions, aren't they.
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The French government produced Mobilite 21 ( the Duron report) in the summer. The only transalpine project is the Lyons - Turinn TGV at a cost of €8bn and that is not a 1st rank priority. This report lists all French infrastructure priorities out to 2030 and ranks them.

The only (low priority) road project in that region is the completion of the A51 Gap - Grenoble motorway but for now they will perhaps scratch at the N 85 to improve it. Railways will swallow most of the cash for many years to come in France it seems. Even a change of government may change the priority rankings but not add too many new projects to this list.

It is here, Google Chrome will translate it for you.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/150366153/Rapport-Mobilite-21
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I was referring to Mercantour tunnel, not Albenga-Ceva. And yes, president of Province Cuneo said it was necessary to build it, but I don't remember anyone replying.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 02:17 PM   #6505
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Where does the last pic come from?
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Old December 11th, 2013, 02:24 PM   #6506
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He posted a link to a post saying it is from La Stampa.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 03:28 PM   #6507
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This route doesn't shorten too much the current Turin - Aix-en-Provence route. It's very conenient only for Italy - Sisteron traffic.
Another solution could be the long-dreamed Albenga - Pedrosa motorway, connecting the Italian A6 and A10 without the V-shaped detour through Savona.
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Old December 11th, 2013, 04:17 PM   #6508
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He posted a link to a post saying it is from La Stampa.
I jumped all the neverending quotes...
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Old December 12th, 2013, 01:29 PM   #6509
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However, it's a plan from 2006 (before the crisis, mind you), and it will never ever be built.
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Old December 14th, 2013, 12:11 AM   #6510
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SS 106 'Jonica' in Calabria

Video from the opening of the last week of new the new section Locri Merici to Marina di Gioiosa Jonica (Reggio Calabria)

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Ponte sullo Stretto di Messina - Prima parte
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Old December 16th, 2013, 11:44 PM   #6511
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Old December 17th, 2013, 04:09 PM   #6512
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Progress in A35 between May and December

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AVANZAMENTO BREBEMI
Per l'autostrada ormai siamo quasi alla segnaletica (parlo della tratta milanese):

Tratta Cassano d'Adda – Pozzuolo Martesana:direzione Milano

situazione a maggio 2013:

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situazione a dicembre 2013

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direzione Treviglio – Brescia

sempre maggio 2013 (ripresa da sud (Albignano)

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Old December 17th, 2013, 04:12 PM   #6513
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Will the first segment near Chiari still open this month as reported earlier?
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Old December 17th, 2013, 04:21 PM   #6514
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Last October the opening of that stretch was postponed to at least March-April. If this deadline will also be missed, the whole motorway will open together in the summer (whatever that means, beginning or end of summer)

EDIT: Here they say July 1st for the whole motorway
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Old December 18th, 2013, 01:27 PM   #6515
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Environmental impact assessment of Autostrada Rho-Monza (basically the completion of Milan's A52) has been approved by Minister for Environment Andrea Orlando. Works should start next April.

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Old December 19th, 2013, 11:57 AM   #6516
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In the framework of A14 enlargement, section Ancona Nord-Ancona Sud, excavation of Sappanico tunnel (900 m) has been completed yesterday, two months ahead of schedule. Works have been carried out using a new technique called "centina sicura" (secure - or safe - centring). According to Senigallianotizie.it, this technique uses a new kind of metallic centring to contain the walls of excavation which does not need the presence of workers.
Tunnel Sappanico enlargement is asymmetric: current north carriageway is being enlarged, while a new south tunnel (the one completed yesterday) is being dug. Current south tunnel will be reused as service tunnel.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 12:17 PM   #6517
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Autostrade per l'Italia learned how to get good PR: make realistic estimated completion dates, put on some padding and then be always on time, or ahead of schedule, on road works. I do not condone them, they have financial incenteives to finish stuff as early as possible (usually), and it avoid unnecessary bad press by pushing overly optimistic schedules as it was done in the past.
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Old December 19th, 2013, 12:18 PM   #6518
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Keep in mind that A14 stretch Senigallia-Ancona Nord is horribly behind schedule, due to financial problems of its subcontractor.
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A master contractor has been picked for A18 between Modica and Rosolini
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A master contractor has been picked for A18 between Modica and Rosolini
Yes, but no newspaper is reporting which one.
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