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Old December 23rd, 2013, 05:41 PM   #6541
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linguistic question: why can we see at Italian motorways sign "corsia emergenza mancate", and not "corsie emergenze mancate" or "corsia emergenza manca(ta)"?
Mancata means missed (singular). Mancante (not mancate) means missing. You got confused with mancate which would mean missed (plural).
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 08:05 PM   #6542
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Today the bypass of Laives/Leifers (province Bolzano/Bozen) on the SS12 was opened for traffic. It will relief the city centre by 22000 vehicles per day. Its main piece of engineering is a 2880m tunnel.
http://online.stradeeautostrade.it/n...00013122399005

Moreover, the contract for building the Ancona harbor-A14 link has been signed. 10 km and 500 M€ the cost. Executive project can now be started.
http://online.stradeeautostrade.it/n...00013122399004
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 08:10 PM   #6543
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Today the bypass of Laives/Leifers (province Bolzano/Bozen) on the SS12 was opened for traffic. It will relief the city centre by 22000 vehicles per day.
Wow, is toll evasion along A22 that bad?
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 08:14 PM   #6544
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I don't think so. I guess it is local traffic.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 08:16 PM   #6545
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Ss12 is one of the finest roads in Italy but it is really not an alternative for a22. I used it seldom when a22 was blocked for some reasons.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 09:23 PM   #6546
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 09:42 PM   #6547
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Toll evasion in Italy is not that common in Italy as it is in France or Spain. There are some exception, though: SS3-bis (for those who don't mind construction sites and lane restrictions) and SS16/SS100 between Foggia-Bari-Taranto (which is the closest thing Italy has to Spain's A/AP redundant roads).

Driving on SS9 between Milano-Bologna or SS12 Modena-Brennero, for instance, is a non-starter.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 09:51 PM   #6548
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I tried once to go back from Susa to Turin by Ss25 instead of a32 which is freakingly expensive. The road is not excessively packed, but it's really slow due to town crossings. So it's not an alternative to autostrada, either
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 11:03 PM   #6549
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Same goes for A24/SS4 for me... Ok Salaria is way cheaper (156 km of A24 costs 15.80€, while 276km of A1 costs 16.10&euro but it takes 1 hour more than highway time.

A25/SS5 is totally unbearable: highway takes 2 hour and 15 from Rome to Pescara, national road more than 5.
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Old December 23rd, 2013, 11:37 PM   #6550
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A24 urban stretch works are going to end in January instead of June:

http://www.muoversiaroma.it/muoversi...o.aspx?id=5579 (page in Italian)

These works will upgrade the existing highway, bringing it to 4x4 lanes instead of the old 2x2. This wil separate urban traffic from national traffic, just like A14 and "tangenziali" in Bologna.
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Old December 24th, 2013, 01:49 AM   #6551
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Toll evasion in Italy is not that common in Italy as it is in France or Spain. There are some exception, though: SS3-bis (for those who don't mind construction sites and lane restrictions) and SS16/SS100 between Foggia-Bari-Taranto (which is the closest thing Italy has to Spain's A/AP redundant roads).

Driving on SS9 between Milano-Bologna or SS12 Modena-Brennero, for instance, is a non-starter.
Also the FI-PI-LI instead of the A11 Firenze - Mare.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old December 27th, 2013, 02:04 PM   #6552
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A master contractor has been picked for A18 between Modica and Rosolini
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Yes, but no newspaper is reporting which one.

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Old December 27th, 2013, 03:20 PM   #6553
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What is the current status of the A4 Novara - Milano widening? Google Earth imagery from August 2013 shows it is completed from just east of the Ticino River to Milano, but what about the new bridge and points west?
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Old December 27th, 2013, 07:13 PM   #6554
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What is the current status of the A4 Novara - Milano widening? Google Earth imagery from August 2013 shows it is completed from just east of the Ticino River to Milano, but what about the new bridge and points west?
Actually it is not finished, i believe they are just star ring from Ticino to Milan.
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Old December 27th, 2013, 07:53 PM   #6555
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Actually it is not finished, i believe they are just star ring from Ticino to Milan.
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Old December 27th, 2013, 08:07 PM   #6556
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Why every now and then somebody restart talking about the Messina strait bridge? it WON'T HAPPEN (and I say, luckily). Italy is almost on the verge of bankaruptcy, we are not there but we are not far. Spending money on something like that is stupid, period.
And no, it's not worth the cost. Not with italian contractor's costs.
Italy isn't on the verge of bankruptcy, this is only in your mind.

The 10 years State Bonds is around at 4%, far away the dangerous limit of 8%.

Italy's problems are only related to an asphyctic growing of our GDP, due to various problems, first of all to lack of investment in infrastructures.
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Many people are against "il ponte" because they think regions like Calabria, Basilicata and the islands couldn't or shouldn't have flashy state-of-the-art infrastructure while every single major project in other areas are still to be completed.

So any project (public, private or both) there was/has been heavily opposed on that basis: the Gioia Tauro port, A3, expansion of Lamezia Terme airport, modernization of SS106, 200km/h railway Palermo-Messina-Catania, expensive advanced monitoring on the Etna, ski resort expansion on the Silla area, desalination plants etc.

I'm not saying this is the case of SSC forumers, but a general attitude that regards these areas as some sort of Mafia-controlled depopulating areas that should be always behind on infrastructure.
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Old December 28th, 2013, 01:24 AM   #6558
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Italy isn't on the verge of bankruptcy, this is only in your mind.

The 10 years State Bonds is around at 4%, far away the dangerous limit of 8%.

Italy's problems are only related to an asphyctic growing of our GDP, due to various problems, first of all to lack of investment in infrastructures.
I think Italy's main problem is lack of population growth and in future even a decline. That means in the medium term aging will be (and is already) killing GDP growth.
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Lack of population growth is the best thing that can happen. Resources are not endless, and the infinite growth paradigm is just a fairy tale.
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Old December 28th, 2013, 12:10 PM   #6560
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