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Old October 8th, 2008, 01:52 AM   #641
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The same as now probably. I mean, it's already RA17 = raccordo autostradale #17.
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Old October 8th, 2008, 12:53 PM   #642
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The 4-lane road ("expressway") RA17 Villesse (A4) - Gorizia - Slovenia (H4) will be turned into motorway at the end of 2012.

http://ilpiccolo.repubblica.it/notiz...on=EdRegionale

3 motorways between Italy and Slovenia. If there was a direct motorway between Trieste and Rijeka, it would be 4.
I suppose there would still be 3, no? Isn't Slovenia going to connect the future motorway from Croatia via Ilirska Bistrica to Divaca, that is, the actual A3?
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Old October 8th, 2008, 03:50 PM   #643
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News from Trieste:that's the new superstrada called trasversale est (eastern ring)Lacotisce-Rabuiese that will connect the city with Koper/Capodistria in Slovenia!





and here's the new Cattinara-Padriciano









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Old October 8th, 2008, 04:44 PM   #644
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Finally. They are doing those sections for ages. Any idea when will both of them be finished?
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Old October 8th, 2008, 05:23 PM   #645
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I suppose there would still be 3, no? Isn't Slovenia going to connect the future motorway from Croatia via Ilirska Bistrica to Divaca, that is, the actual A3?
That's why I wrote "if".

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The blue sign is interesting:
1. Pesek is in Italy, not Slovenia;
2. I'm surprised it's written (only) in Slovenian, b/c the Italian expression is "Pese" (without "k", which doesn't exist in the Italian alphabet anyway);
3. OTOH Basovizza is written only in Italian, despite being a bilingual village ("Bazovica" in Slovenian)

Anyway, great 'news'! Is there already a designation chosen for the Lacotisce-Rabuiese expressway?
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Old October 10th, 2008, 03:06 PM   #646
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^Hi!The blue sign is correct,why some years ago Italy (and the region Friuli-Venezia Giulia) approved a new law which take chance to the villages to be renamed as they were called before fascism!So,nowadays the two villages of Pesek and Dolina have the old name,and that's considered the only accepted,and the fascist names of Pese and san Dorligo della Valle are cancelled!But I really don't know why Basovizza is written only in italian!And the "slo" after the name of Pesek show the right direction to the border!
Good news,guys,the Lacotisce Rabuiese will be open before the end of october!!And Cattinara.Padriciano in november!!
Bye!!
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Old October 10th, 2008, 03:14 PM   #647
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Thanks for the info. Great news!
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Old October 10th, 2008, 04:52 PM   #648
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^Hi!The blue sign is correct,why some years ago Italy (and the region Friuli-Venezia Giulia) approved a new law which take chance to the villages to be renamed as they were called before fascism!So,nowadays the two villages of Pesek and Dolina have the old name,and that's considered the only accepted,and the fascist names of Pese and san Dorligo della Valle are cancelled!But I really don't know why Basovizza is written only in italian!And the "slo" after the name of Pesek show the right direction to the border!
Good news,guys,the Lacotisce Rabuiese will be open before the end of october!!And Cattinara.Padriciano in november!!
Bye!!
Oh, I get it now (I thought of the SLO was just pointing towards Slovenia, not necessarily Pesek being in Slovenia). The thing with Pesek is still interesting though, as the letter "k" doesn't exist in the Italian alphabet. But then again, I remember places like Jesolo, and "j" doesn't exist in the Italian alphabet either.
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J and K exist in italian alphabet, but they don't appear in originally italian words. although i don't know how to explain Jesi or Jesolo, that's what i asked my italian teacher and she couldn't give me the right answer
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What are the parameters for autostrada and superstrada ?
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Old October 10th, 2008, 07:34 PM   #651
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in Italy it is quite clear - SS's don't have emergency lane, while A's allways have it
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I don't call the Italian emergency lane a real emergency lane. A truck doesn't even fit on it and I don't want to change a tire on it. But they have many SOS lots to make up for it.
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in Italy it is quite clear - SS's don't have emergency lane, while A's allways have it
Sometimes same questions come out

That's not a rule... there are SS with emergency lane and A's without it.

The rule says:
-Autostrada has green signage and max speed on it is 130 km/h
-Superstrada has blue signage and max speed is 110 km/h (or less frequently 90 km/h)

Normally lanes in A's are wider than SS ones, so emergency lanes
And Emergency lane standard on Autostrada is bigger, for istance, than Germany emergency lane standard, has I previously said in the thread, and in any case a truck can stay on it completely

Here a pic of a messy crash which can show it well
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Sometimes same questions come out

That's not a rule... there are SS with emergency lane and A's without it.

The rule says:
-Autostrada has green signage and max speed on it is 130 km/h
-Superstrada has blue signage and max speed is 110 km/h (or less frequently 90 km/h)

Normally lanes in A's are wider than SS ones, so emergency lanes
And Emergency lane standard on Autostrada is bigger, for istance, than Germany emergency lane standard, has I previously said in the thread, and in any case a truck can stay on it completely
khm, i'm not sure about widness of SOS lane, maybe it worths for new motorways. at A14 for instance it is incredibly narrow mostly.

btw, i know for some sections of A roads without SOS lanes, but which SS roads have SOS lanes?
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I don't call the Italian emergency lane a real emergency lane. A truck doesn't even fit on it and I don't want to change a tire on it. But they have many SOS lots to make up for it.
Funny, it's 3 metres wide. German and Austrian emergency lanes are 2,5 m wide. Never heard your complain about that.
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btw, i know for some sections of A roads without SOS lanes, but which SS roads have SOS lanes?
As I've saw, all newer ones.
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I heavily support an emergency lane of at least 3.5 m wide. It's possible to have a 4-0 system with road works (2x2 on one carriageway with narrowed lanes). I also don't like guardrails immediatly next to the em lane if it's not completely necessary.
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khm, i'm not sure about widness of SOS lane, maybe it worths for new motorways. at A14 for instance it is incredibly narrow mostly.
I don't have this impression





Anyway I don't know A14 very well... surely in its first stretch near Bologna where it has 3 lanes it has a large emergency lane, but it could be in iother branches with2 lanes there are narrow ones or not at all... infact I said about 'standard' and add there are even highway (old ones) without emergency lane, as A10 for most part of its run.
Back to A14... I think anyway with enlargement to 3 lanes for the whole run the highway will have a total standard emergency lane


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btw, i know for some sections of A roads without SOS lanes, but which SS roads have SOS lanes?
Many, and mostly new ones

E.I this is new Valassina in Milan suburbs (3 lanes + emergency and even postlamps for the whole run)

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I'd call that A14 SOS lanes quite narrow, actually. Even the normal lanes seem to be quite narrow.
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I don't have this impression

http://www.60019.it/articoli/image/2...lanare-1-g.jpg

http://www.60019.it/articoli/image/2...lanare-2-g.jpg

Anyway I don't know A14 very well... surely in its first stretch near Bologna where it has 3 lanes it has a large emergency lane, but it could be in iother branches with2 lanes there are narrow ones or not at all... infact I said about 'standard' and add there are even highway (old ones) without emergency lane, as A10 for most part of its run.
Back to A14... I think anyway with enlargement to 3 lanes for the whole run the highway will have a total standard emergency lane
look at A14 Pescara - Ancona, it is quite narrow.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...c/P8170358.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...IMGP3907-1.jpg

new sections have wider SOS lane. and the great thing are SOS niches.
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