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Old January 2nd, 2014, 02:19 PM   #6601
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A24 "complanari" near Rome costed a lot.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 02:38 PM   #6602
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I see that price / km in Italy depends from motorway to motorway. Is there any map with the motorway prices?
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 02:59 PM   #6603
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And here a list of 1+1 expressways:
What exactly do you mean with a 1+1 expressway? Road reserved for motor vehicles?
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 03:02 PM   #6604
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Looking to all theese tall bridges from SS13 shows you what a wonderful work they've been done! If you have a chance, drive through that road
A23 seen from the SS13 is just horrible, with all those huge viaducts across the narrow valley and above houses.

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Price increases for Italian motorways, starting 1st January:

ATIVA (Autostrada Torino Ivrea Val D'Aosta) 0,82%
Autostrade per l'Italia 4,43%
Brennero 1,63%
Centropadane 8,01%
Cisa (A15) 6,26%
Autostrada dei Fiori (A10) 2,78%
Consorzio autostrade siciliane Messina-Catania e Messina-Palermo 0,00%
Autovie Venete 7,17%
Milano Serravalle e Milano Tangenziali 4,47%
Tangenziale di Napoli 1,89%
Rav (Raccordo autostradale Valle d'Aosta) 5,00%
Salt (Società Autostrada Ligure Toscana) 3,07%
Sat (Società Autostrada Tirrenica) 5,00%
Autostrade Meridionali (Sam) 0,00%
Satap A4 Tronco Novara est-Milano/Torino-Novara est 5,27%
Satap Tronco A21 Torino-Alessandria-Piacenza 1,66%
Sav (Autostrade Valdostane) autostrada e raccordo 5,00%
Sitaf - Barriera di Bruere 4,23%
Sitaf - Barriera di Avigliana 4,31%
Sitaf - Barriera di Salberttrand 3,81%
Torino-Savona 1,60%
Cav-A4 Venezia-Padova 6,26%
Strada dei Parchi (A24-A25) 8,28%
Asti-Cuneo 0,00%
Bad as usual (and those extra 0,60€ at Villesse weren't enough for them).
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 03:04 PM   #6605
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What exactly do you mean with a 1+1 expressway? Road reserved for motor vehicles?
Reserved for motor vehicles and no at-grade junctions. Basically expressways but with one lane per direction.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 03:18 PM   #6606
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A24 "complanari" near Rome costed a lot.
I know... And eventually they will open them 5 months in advance. But the toll was has already been raised in the past 5 years (from 11.80€ to 16.80€...). I really don't understand this new raise.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 04:23 PM   #6607
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Here a more complete list of 4+ lane expressway opened in Italy during 2013:

Sicily
SS640 (4.6km) (Aquilata-Vecchia Dama) 3 december

Sardinia
SS291 "della Nurra" (5km) (Cantoniera Rudas-Olmedo) 25 october
SS291 "della Nurra" (6.2km) (Olmedo-old SS291) 31 july

Calabria
SS106 "Jonica" (5km) (Squillace-Borgia) 11 april
SS106 "Jonica" (10.5km) (Palizzi-Caulonia) 30 november

Puglia
SS106dir "Jonica" (3.6km) (Palagiano-SS106 Jonica) 31 july

Lombardy
SS38 "dello Stelvio" (9.3 km) (Fuentes-Cosio Valtellino) 31 july
SS36 "del lago di Como e dello Spluga" (1.8km) (tunnel di Monza) 3 april

Total: 46 km

And here a list of 1+1 expressways:

Sicily
SS284 "Occidentale Etnea" (3.8km) near Bronte 31 july
SS124 "Siracusana" (4.57km) (Siracusa-Floridia) 25 july

Sardinia
SS125 "Orientale Sarda" (6.6km) (Capo Boi-Terra Mala) 20 march


Campania
SS212 "della Val Fortore" (2.15 km) (Reino-SP Beneventana) 6 december

Abruzzo
SS80 "del Gran Sasso d'Italia" (2.8 km) (SS80-Teramo Centro) 29 october

Umbria
SS79bis "Ternana" (4.7 km) (Valnerina-SS79) 10 december
SS219 "di Gubbio e Pian d'Assino" (5.9km) (Gubbio-Mocaiana) 7 october
SS3 "Flaminia" (3.4km) (SP241-SS318) 19 july

Emilia Romagna
SS727 "Asse di Arroccamento di Forlì" (4.5 km) (via Emilia-via Ravegnana) 18 july


Friuli
SS52 "Carnica" (3.5 km) (variante di Socchieve) 10 may

Lombardy
SS42 "del Tonale e della Mendola" (8.4 km) (Ceto-Berzo Demo) 6 february

Total: 50.3 km
I browsed the ANAS news for the whole 2013 and I found also:

Umbria
SS220 "Pievaiola" (8,75km) (Fontignano - Tavernelle) 1+1 27 February

Toscana
SS67 Tosco - Romagnola (0,8km) (Variante di Ellera) 1+1 23 March

Liguria
SS1 Aurelia (1,4km) (Variante di La Spezia lot 2) 1+1 2 December

Emilia Romagna
SS727 Tangenziale di Forlì (2nd part) (2,7km) 2+2 13 December
Also the other section opened that year (4,5km) is 2+2.


There were many other openings this year but they aren't reported in the ANAS website because they aren't under its jurisdiction. A lot of important roads were ceased to regions and provinces in the past years.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 04:26 PM   #6608
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What exactly do you mean with a 1+1 expressway? Road reserved for motor vehicles?
This sign is almost never used, thus most 1+1 "expressways" are open also to non-motorized traffic (even if almost nobody would walk or cycle on them).
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 04:28 PM   #6609
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Reserved for motor vehicles and no at-grade junctions. Basically expressways but with one lane per direction.
Again, they are such a peculiarity of Italy

I know you do not like them, but our orography makes full expressway very expensive in the mostly hilly or mountain country where these hwy are built

Moreover the traffic is very low, these are common in rhe south, the Apennines and the islands outside the main routes where probably the alternative would be much slower roads, certainly not expressways
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 04:29 PM   #6610
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I browsed the ANAS news for the whole 2013 and I found also:

Umbria
SS220 "Pievaiola" (8,75km) (Fontignano - Tavernelle) 1+1 27 February
Not ANAS. SS220 is a regional road.

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SS1 Aurelia (1,4km) (Variante di La Spezia lot 2) 1+1 2 December
This is just a municipal road leading to the SS1.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 04:31 PM   #6611
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Again, they are such a peculiarity of Italy

I know you do not like them, but our orography makes full expressway very expensive in the mostly hilly or mountain country where these hwy are built

Moreover the traffic is very low, these are common in rhe south, the Apennines and the islands outside the main routes where probably the alternative would be much slower roads, certainly not expressways
They are more common than you think, for instance there are many of them in the lowlands around Brescia. Straight for kilometers and flat, they just call for speed (and accidents).
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 04:34 PM   #6612
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Parts of the upgraded A3 completed in 2013 (by ANAS)

5 March
part of the 5th megalot "Gioia Tauro - Scilla" 9km

20 May
Attilia - Falerna 3km

4 July
Bagnara Calabra - Scilla 5,3km
new junction of Rosarno

22 July
Campotenese - Morano Calabro 10km
Firmo - Altomonte 2,6km
Lagonegro Sud - Lauria Nord 4,3km
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 04:37 PM   #6613
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Not ANAS. SS220 is a regional road.


This is just a municipal road leading to the SS1.
But they were probably built by ANAS, otherwise they wouldn't have been reported in the ANAS site.
Also the SS52 in Friuli is maintained by FVG Strade but the "Variante di Socchieve" was built by ANAS, I don't know why.
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Old January 2nd, 2014, 04:51 PM   #6614
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This sign is almost never used, thus most 1+1 "expressways" are open also to non-motorized traffic (even if almost nobody would walk or cycle on them).
If a road doesn't have that sign, how do you know it's an expressway? Is it a strada extraurbana secondaria?
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Yes, it is. 90km/h speed limit.

The only difference from a normal "strada ext. secondaria" is the fact that there are no at-grade junctions and the road doesn't pass in the towns, hence the speed limit doesn't lower to 50 km/h.
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If a road doesn't have that sign, how do you know it's an expressway? Is it a strada extraurbana secondaria?
All main 1+1 roads outside towns are strade extraurbane secondarie. The blank speed limit is 90 regardeless if the road is fully grade-separated (1+1 "expressways") or not (normal roads).
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Then how did g.spinoza compile that list of new "1+1 expressways", if all main 1+1 roads outside built-up areas are called strade extraurbane secondarie and they aren't superstrade? Is there a list of them, and what does it say in Italian?
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Then how did g.spinoza compile that list of new "1+1 expressways", if all main 1+1 roads outside built-up areas are called strade extraurbane secondarie and they aren't superstrade? Is there a list of them, and what does it say in Italian?

This is a normal strada extraurbana secondaria: http://goo.gl/maps/QSHBE

This is a 1+1 freeway: http://goo.gl/maps/GHWSO

As you can see, these are the same road, SS4 Salaria. Same speed limit, 90 km/h, and same "classification", as "Strada extraurbana secondaria". But in the first street view you can clearly see at-grade junctions, houses and everything that usually is on a normal road. In the second view instead you can see that there are no junctions, no houses, and there are guardrails all over the road.

Actually, for italian highway code there are absolutely no differences in these two stretches of the same national route. But, in fact, there are some.
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So someone (I assume not g.spinoza) just calculated the higher-standard sections and published their lengths? How did he call it in Italian? What about the categories C1 (traffico sostenuto) and C2 (traffico limitato)? Does that have anything to do with it?
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Then how did g.spinoza compile that list of new "1+1 expressways", if all main 1+1 roads outside built-up areas are called strade extraurbane secondarie and they aren't superstrade? Is there a list of them, and what does it say in Italian?
Tha ANAS website records all openings in the ANAS road network since 2008.
Virtually all new roads built by ANAS are urban bypasses or replacement routes for old road, so they are generally grade-separated, in contrapposition with old state routes that feature traffic lights, private accesses,...
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