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Old January 11th, 2014, 11:56 PM   #6681
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Old January 12th, 2014, 01:55 AM   #6682
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The access road to Mantova is quite nice:

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Old January 13th, 2014, 09:00 PM   #6683
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A18 toll plaza


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Old January 13th, 2014, 09:36 PM   #6684
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Old January 14th, 2014, 01:14 AM   #6685
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Today opened the junction of Irosa on A19
4 years ago I wrote this:
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21 - viaduct from nowhere to nowhere, part of never-constructed junction
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=3...27874&t=h&z=16

Good that abandoned road projects get finished sooner or later.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 10:12 PM   #6686
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PDF map of Pedemontana Lombarda
http://www.pedemontana.com/docs/mappa_pedemontana.pdf

Interactive map of Tangenziale Est Esterna di Milano
http://www.tangenziale.esterna.it/mappa/

PDF map of BreBeMi
http://www.brebemi.it/doc/bbm_tracciato.pdf

JPEG map of the Quadrilatero Marche - Umbria
http://www.quadrilaterospa.it/cartina_interattiva.htm

JPEG map (click on the small map) of the SS106 Jonica
http://www.stradeanas.it/index.php?/...arg/106_ionica
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Old January 15th, 2014, 11:46 AM   #6687
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Quadrilatero map is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.

Landslides in Italy: provincial road Glorenza/Glurns - Swiss (Alto Adige/Südtirol) is closed due to a massive landslide in Laudes. Normal traffic is rerouted through Passo Resia/Reschenpass, but a temporary urgent link has been established using a 4x4 shuttle. In the next few days a temporary road on a new site will be built, and next spring it will be reused to build the new definitive road.

Another landslide in Tuscany closed off two villages (pop. 1000) near Massa. Technicians are trying to convert a dirt track into a temporary road to reach the villages. Here a picture of the landslide:


http://online.stradeeautostrade.it/n...00014011599007
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Old January 16th, 2014, 03:35 AM   #6688
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Old January 16th, 2014, 03:45 AM   #6689
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Amazing picture

If I see that view in my rear view mirror, I am not stopping to pay toll, polizia stradale can kiss my ass
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Old January 17th, 2014, 01:40 PM   #6690
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Someone from public relations at TEEM (A58) registered on the Italian forum, so we are getting some info before the general public.

Progress (updated december 2013) in different lots:

- Lot A (Agrate Brianza - Bellinzago): 41% (+ 4.5% with respect to november 2013)
- Lot B (Bellinzago - Pozzuolo Martesana): 12% (+2.85%)
- Arco TEEM (connection with A35, Cassanese and Rivoltana): 62% (+5%)
- Lot C (Zelo Buon Persico - Cerro al Lambro): 12%. (+2.85%)

June 2014 is the scheduled deadline for Arco TEEM, June 2015 for the whole motorway.

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Old January 18th, 2014, 10:02 PM   #6691
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Some pictures I shot last summer on A4 between Verona and Sirmione:









Note that in all the pictures the Fiat Panda and BMW 5GT are always in the middle lane. I drove constantly with 130 km/h and so did they, but I always tried to use the right-most free lane.
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Old January 18th, 2014, 10:10 PM   #6692
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Nice photos. I wonder if the middle-lane hogging is related to the gantry signage in Italy. It is always suggested the right lane becomes an exit lane (while in reality it almost never does). Conventional wisdom after an hour of driving will say you can use the right lane without a problem, but somehow Italy has some of the worst middle-lane hogging you'll see in Europe.
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Old January 18th, 2014, 11:28 PM   #6693
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I think it's more about lazyness than about the gantries. You can put these same Italians on a two-lane motorway and they'll move to the right quick enough. After all, they know that they share the inner lane with some fast-driving sports cars. All this noteithstanding the arrows as used on the gantries (note that there is no arrow above the right-hand lane, so the information is incomplete rather than wrong). But in a situation with three or more lanes, Italians will lose interest once they are out of the inner lane. And since they know that they will need to pass a truck at some stage, they'll take the easy route and not move right in the first place.

During the week, this is not too bad, as the outer lanes of Italy's 3+ lane motorways are filled with trucks. During quieter times, it's true middle lane hogging. During my days in Italy, this had an advantage. In weekends, the outer lane often offered overtaking opportunities when the inner lane was full of relatively slow cars.
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Old January 19th, 2014, 12:40 AM   #6694
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Gantry signage has nothing to do with lane hogging. Majority of people never even realize the isssue with signage. Lane hogger are simply bad drivers.
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Old January 19th, 2014, 12:52 AM   #6695
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True. And as Chris said, you drive a little bit on an Italian autostrada you realise that the right lane doesn't force you to take the exit. I understood this thing after driving maybe 10 minutes and saw 3 exists meanwhile.

So yeah, it's just bad drivers, not signage problem.
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Old January 19th, 2014, 02:05 AM   #6696
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Driving 130 km/h (speed limit) in the middle lane isn't exactly lane-hogging (unless the rightmost lane is practically empty). Theoretically yes, but in practice not really.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 05:57 PM   #6697
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Region Lombardy and province Lecco are financing a feasibility study for the extension of A51 from current terminus in Usmate Velate to Olginate, just south of Lecco.

http://www.merateonline.it/articolo.php?idd=39279

here's a tentative map of the extension (link because it's huge):
http://www.merateonline.it/public/pu...le_est1big.jpg

Apparently it's almost totally in tunnel (dashed line). It's section B (superstrada) until Calco, then C1 (one-laned superstrada) to Olginate. Can't find a statement on length, but it should be 20 km, more or less.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 06:19 PM   #6698
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People drive on the middle or the left lane, simply because during the week the right one is packed with trucks and slow vehicles.

BTW, driving at the exact speed limit on the central/left lane it's not stupid, because theorically nobody is supposed to need to overtake you. And the left lane is the one where the driver has the least chances to find a slower vehicle ahead.
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Old January 21st, 2014, 06:29 PM   #6699
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People drive on the middle or the left lane, simply because during the week the right one is packed with trucks and slow vehicles.
Uhm, do Italians also go to the office on Saturday and Sunday because during the week they are there as well?

I mean, what's the logic?
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Old January 21st, 2014, 06:37 PM   #6700
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Until not many years ago August 1st, 2003, the right lane was reserved to slow vehicles (no more than 90 km/h), the central one to normal traffic and the left one for overtaking. This is no excuse, though, because many young drivers, trained when the change in designation already happened, drive as bad as their fathers.
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