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Old January 24th, 2014, 11:35 PM   #6721
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Bonus: on the road leading from Sirmione to A4 I encountered this signs. Which should be my driving speed?
In case of different speeds signed, the lower one always wins
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Old January 24th, 2014, 11:39 PM   #6722
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I still don't know what Viacard is (I assume it's something similar with credit/debit card), but I used those lanes because they also accept there credit cards (like I have).
That's the trick: viacard is a prepaid card but nobody actually has it (or very few do). I use those lanes with my atm card.
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Old January 24th, 2014, 11:42 PM   #6723
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You would expect to be used a lot just considering how much (free) publicity is getting from autostrade.it (it's advertised at every exit).
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Old January 24th, 2014, 11:52 PM   #6724
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Viacard lanes are not adequately advertised. Until very recently I thought it was some kind of pre-paid debit card that Autostrade issued. Now that I know better I use them all the times...
I thought the same when I was in Italy in October last year.
Good to know for next time. Thanks!
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Old January 25th, 2014, 01:04 AM   #6725
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In case of different speeds signed, the lower one always wins
Does it apply that way legally also? Here for sure highest speed would be the legal limit if signed like that.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 01:52 AM   #6726
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Of course those lanes are always empty since you just drive through (Telepass) or stop briefly (cards). What's more important is how many people actually use them (you can observe that while waiting in the cash queue) and how much time you actually have to wait in cash queues (not long usually). The first time I used my Maestro card at Trieste-Lisert toll station, it didn't accept it, so I was blocking the only card lane for some time until they just opened it and I paid later. Then I realized I had probably just inserted the card the wrong way.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 04:22 AM   #6727
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Old January 25th, 2014, 09:06 AM   #6728
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The first time I used my Maestro card at Trieste-Lisert toll station, it didn't accept it, so I was blocking the only card lane for some time until they just opened it and I paid later. Then I realized I had probably just inserted the card the wrong way.
All of my trips on Italian motorways I actually payed with debit card (Visa Electron), not credit card, and I had no problems at all.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 10:38 AM   #6729
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Does it apply that way legally also? Here for sure highest speed would be the legal limit if signed like that.
Yes. In that case 70 was the fixed limit and 30 the temporary one due to roadworks (you can see the yellow lane markings). You must comply with the lower one.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 12:41 PM   #6730
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All of my trips on Italian motorways I actually payed with debit card (Visa Electron), not credit card, and I had no problems at all.
yes Visa works, but Maestro don't.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 02:31 PM   #6731
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Yes. In that case 70 was the fixed limit and 30 the temporary one due to roadworks (you can see the yellow lane markings). You must comply with the lower one.
Common sense says that, if you temporary lower the speed limit on a road section, you must take down or cover the old speed limit sign.

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yes Visa works, but Maestro don't.
I used Visa Electron (debit-card), not the standard VISA credit-card. With my card I can't do payments over the internet, but I was able to pay the motorway toll.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 02:54 PM   #6732
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Common sense says that, if you temporary lower the speed limit on a road section, you must take down or cover the old speed limit sign.
It's your common sense not mine. Common sense dictates that you comply with both signs by driving 30.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 02:59 PM   #6733
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Come on... I have tens of thousands km behind the wheel in half of European countries and I've never seen before 2 different speed limits posted at the same time. Every time the speed limit was changed, the old sign was either taken down or covered with something so that it won't induce you in error.

I know that, technically speaking, if you drive with 29 km/h there you comply with both of the signs, but common sense of every driver should say that there should be only 1 speed limit posted at a time.

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Iit's very clear. The 30 sign is a little bit nearer to you. So you have to drive 30 for approx. 40 centimeters, and then you can accelerate to 70.
This guy, although joking, has a point. You might win in court if you drive with 30 km/h while passing near that sign, and 70 km/h after you passed it. The 30 km/h speed limit sign is in front of the 70 one
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Old January 25th, 2014, 05:25 PM   #6734
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Guys. The higher limit ough to be covered like direction signs whenever you have roadworks. The thing is this is a construction site. See the yellow lanes? Afaik they ought to use a yellow background construction site signal to make things clearer. In the end of the day it works Italian style, i.e....if the road is open you can drive through. If there's working people you must slow down, see the 30 kmh sign! If there's no maintenance crew in sight just do what you feel to do. The 30 km sign on an empty construction site is only meant to reject your claim should you damage your tires in a pothole.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 05:35 PM   #6735
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Of course those lanes are always empty since you just drive through (Telepass) or stop briefly (cards). What's more important is how many people actually use them (you can observe that while waiting in the cash queue) and how much time you actually have to wait in cash queues (not long usually). The first time I used my Maestro card at Trieste-Lisert toll station, it didn't accept it, so I was blocking the only card lane for some time until they just opened it and I paid later. Then I realized I had probably just inserted the card the wrong way.
It's an easy story Viacard is just a prepaid toll token, meant to reduce the time spent at toll boothes ( in the past it could mean bloody ages). And it' very old. You bought it with a face value and it was a paper ticket, originally. It was circulated back in the 70s when credit cards where not so popular and debit cards, or ATM just coming around. It was ok but sometimes annoying. Particularly when there was not enough money left. Then they offered a plastic rechargeable version but credit/debit cards proved to be more handyn imdon't know why they still offered it. Is there any ody travelling with traveller's cheques today?

Anyway I use a Telepass. It' great. Costs a nothimg a month and goes on my credit cards. Youncan use it in some parkings as well and makes life easier. I dream of an pan european system so that it may work also abroad. In the end of the day you have anautomatic vinjeta check system in SLO and HR operates something similar to Telepass, so...
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Old January 25th, 2014, 06:42 PM   #6736
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yes Visa works, but Maestro don't.
Maestro works for sure. Here it says "prepaid cards" and I remember they used to mention Maestro specifically.

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It's your common sense not mine. Common sense dictates that you comply with both signs by driving 30.
If speed limit is 70 km/h, then driving 30 might be too slow. What's the minimum speed limit?
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Old January 25th, 2014, 07:04 PM   #6737
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Of course those lanes are always empty since you just drive through (Telepass) or stop briefly (cards). What's more important is how many people actually use them (you can observe that while waiting in the cash queue) and how much time you actually have to wait in cash queues (not long usually). The first time I used my Maestro card at Trieste-Lisert toll station, it didn't accept it, so I was blocking the only card lane for some time until they just opened it and I paid later. Then I realized I had probably just inserted the card the wrong way.
neah. those automatic machines are capricious. i remember them refusing my Diners, and few hours after that accepting it and similar things.

about Viacard - i just had it in my mind to ask about it - i remember it was really popular in 90es (it is kind of smart card if i am right). i didn't know that it still exists. here in HR smart cards exist no more.

trick: while exiting at Lisert and paying with cash, there are 3 hidden booths at the left side which are always empty (because not many people notice them nor obviously know for them). look here
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I always use them.

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yes Visa works, but Maestro don't.
Here, Maestro.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 07:51 PM   #6739
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Come on... I have tens of thousands km behind the wheel in half of European countries
So have I, and that image didn't raise any question whatsoever in my mind. Maybe that's because I'm Italian, but I don't know what to add, since there is an explicit rule regarding these situations.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 07:51 PM   #6740
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Maestro is really odd. In Canada nobody has it, and in US I think also nobody has it. But most stores will hang "Maestro" sign as they accept it, but if you ask someone on street, they have no idea what it is (while everyone knows Visa, Mastercard, etc)
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