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Old February 16th, 2014, 02:56 PM   #6841
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Oh, I thought that they were already started with the widening of the stretch.

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Old February 16th, 2014, 03:02 PM   #6842
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Oh, I thought that they were already started with the widening of the stretch.
Maybe there has been a misunderstanding.

Ancona Nord-Ancona Sud widening is already under construction. Ancona Ovest exit works (which requires an entirely new 6-km-long, 2+2 road, from Ancona harbour to A14) aren't yet.

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Old February 19th, 2014, 12:09 AM   #6843
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Old February 26th, 2014, 01:05 PM   #6844
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Contract tender for another lot of A3 renovation has been published. This section is located between Altilia junction (included) and Stupino viaduct (not included) and is 6 km long. Part of it will be on a new alignment, part will reuse the current one. Southbound carriageway will feature 1.7 km of tunnels and 1.7 km of viaducts, while northbound one will have 3 km of viaducts. Major piece of engineering is viaduct Ruiz, an arch bridge with 251.61 m span.

The contract is worth 340 M€. Deadline for offer is april 9th, then the project will have to be ready in 180 days, works will have to be completed in 1076 days.

(in the above map, this section is marked "Macrolotto n°4, parte 2^, 2° stralcio", between km 280 and 286).
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Old February 26th, 2014, 04:12 PM   #6845
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56 M € per km? Not bad ...
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Old February 26th, 2014, 04:29 PM   #6846
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56 M € per km? Not bad ...
I'm not quite sure if 340 M€ refers only to the "2° stralcio" (second sublot) or the whole lot. The whole lot is 15.3 km long.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 04:46 PM   #6847
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I asked in the Italian forum, the money refers to the 6 km section. This one:
http://goo.gl/maps/2xicW

It's expensive, but that section is one of the most difficult of the entire route.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 06:34 PM   #6848
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What route would you recommend for:
1. Ravenna to Orvieto
2. Perugia to Urbino
3. Urbino to San Marino

Google Maps recommends:
1. http://goo.gl/maps/Dza7N
2. http://goo.gl/maps/1GL5S or http://goo.gl/maps/NHWNT (SS3bis seems to be motorway-like, SS219 although not)
3. http://goo.gl/maps/VFsFF

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Old February 26th, 2014, 06:43 PM   #6849
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The route via Umbertide is better. If you have time, make a stop in Gubbio, it is a neat town well worth a short stop and strolling around on foot.

As for Urbino => San Marino, it all depends on your mood. If you want to travel through the soft hills of Marche, you can cut your way through those local roads. If you want an easier drive, head back to A14.

I like Urbino a lot, it is an interesting old town. Climb to the old fortress, where you can get some good views of the walled perimeter.
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Old February 26th, 2014, 07:24 PM   #6850
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What route would you recommend for:
1. Ravenna to Orvieto
2. Perugia to Urbino
3. Urbino to San Marino

Google Maps recommends:
1. http://goo.gl/maps/Dza7N
I'd say this one better:
http://goo.gl/maps/NBkql

Same length, all in dual carriageway, zero toll. Beware of speed traps, though.

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2. http://goo.gl/maps/1GL5S or http://goo.gl/maps/NHWNT (SS3bis seems to be motorway-like, SS219 although not)
If you take my SS3bis route to Orvieto the day before I'd say you can go SS219, just to spice things up.


I think it's ok. A14 is too long a detour.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 12:32 PM   #6851
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Thanks for the help.

I think I have finally () decided my route for Easter.
Do you know a nice (small) place between Firenze and Bolgna for a short stop between Orvieto and Sirmione?
I was thinking maybe Prato, but that's right near Firenze, so not half of the way.

Day 1 - http://goo.gl/maps/iN621
Ingolstadt - Ferrara

Day 2 - http://goo.gl/maps/koaqg
Ferrara - San Marino

Day 3 - http://goo.gl/maps/cy9zA
San Marino - Urbino - Assisi - Perugia

Day 4 - http://goo.gl/maps/CQYiN
Perugia - Civita di Bagnoregio - Orvieto (- stop somewhere on the way) - Accommodation somewhere near Sirmione

Day 5 - http://goo.gl/maps/JM3eH
Sirmione - East road of Lake Garda: Malcesine - Riva del Garda - Nago-Torbole (- stop somewhere on the way) - Ingolstadt

Entire roadmap: http://goo.gl/maps/NusxH
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Old February 27th, 2014, 12:45 PM   #6852
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Thanks for the help.

I think I have finally () decided my route for Easter.
Do you know a nice (small) place between Firenze and Bolgna for a short stop between Orvieto and Sirmione?
I was thinking maybe Prato, but that's right near Firenze, so not half of the way.
And Prato is not small, it's the third city by population of central Italy, after Rome and Florence.

Porretta Terme is nice, but not easely reachable from A1.
Maybe Barberino di Mugello, it has one Unesco World Heritage site. But I've never been there myself.

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Day 1 - http://goo.gl/maps/iN621
Ingolstadt - Ferrara

Day 2 - http://goo.gl/maps/koaqg
Ferrara - San Marino

Day 3 - http://goo.gl/maps/cy9zA
San Marino - Urbino - Assisi - Perugia

Day 4 - http://goo.gl/maps/CQYiN
Perugia - Civita di Bagnoregio - Orvieto (- stop somewhere on the way) - Accommodation somewhere near Sirmione

Day 5 - http://goo.gl/maps/JM3eH
Sirmione - East road of Lake Garda: Malcesine - Riva del Garda - Nago-Torbole (- stop somewhere on the way) - Ingolstadt

Entire roadmap: http://goo.gl/maps/NusxH
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EDIT: Just a little question: are you sure you want to drive east coast of Garda? West coast is much nicer, imho.
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Old February 27th, 2014, 01:56 PM   #6853
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Uh uh, another thing. From Urbino to Assisi I noticed your route uses the Furlo tunnel bypass on SP3 here. I really suggest you don't use the tunnel but drive the old road instead. You'll pass through one of the oldest - probably THE oldest - road tunnel in the world still in service, built by Romans in 76 AD :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furlo_Pass
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Old February 27th, 2014, 02:38 PM   #6854
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And Prato is not small, it's the third city by population of central Italy, after Rome and Florence.

Porretta Terme is nice, but not easely reachable from A1.
Maybe Barberino di Mugello, it has one Unesco World Heritage site. But I've never been there myself.
Castello Mediceo di Cafaggiolo and Castello del Trebbio seemto be the attractions there:
http://www.comunebarberino.it/flex/c.../IDPagina/3668

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EDIT: Just a little question: are you sure you want to drive east coast of Garda? West coast is much nicer, imho.
I took a look in Streetview and it seemed to me that much of the road has trees and you can't really see much towards the lake and the road seemed narrower. Maybe I'm wrong about that . Also one of the recommended stops was Malcesine, which is on the east coast. There is also a cable car that get's you up Monte Baldo.

But if you say west coast is better, I believe you, I've never been there

What nice place(s) are there on the west coast? Campione del Garda, Limone sul Garda seem nice.
Maybe an option to get to Malcesine is to park somewhere west and go by ferry east, then back, don't know about them though...

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Uh uh, another thing. From Urbino to Assisi I noticed your route uses the Furlo tunnel bypass on SP3 here. I really suggest you don't use the tunnel but drive the old road instead. You'll pass through one of the oldest - probably THE oldest - road tunnel in the world still in service, built by Romans in 76 AD :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furlo_Pass
Wow, thanks for that too. Narrow road, is there a safe place were to stop and take some photos?

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Old February 27th, 2014, 05:59 PM   #6855
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I took a look in Streetview and it seemed to me that much of the road has trees and you can't really see much towards the lake and the road seemed narrower. Maybe I'm wrong about that . Also one of the recommended stops was Malcesine, which is on the east coast. There is also a cable car that get's you up Monte Baldo.
Trees are only in the first section, up until Salò and Toscolano-Maderno. After that, the road goes very close to the shore, sometimes in tunnels but often in open air.

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But if you say west coast is better, I believe you, I've never been there
What nice place(s) are there on the west coast? Campione del Garda, Limone sul Garda seem nice.
Limone del Garda is a must see. Tremosine is also nice, more for the views of the lake than for the town itself.
Avoid Campione, it's an open air Baustelle. They're transforming the place in a tourist resort, but right now it's just a ghost town.

Malcesine and Monte Baldo cable car are very close to Torbole, so even going the west shore it's not a long detour.
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Maybe an option to get to Malcesine is to park somewhere west and go by ferry east, then back, don't know about them though...
Mmm not sure. I know in Limone there are tourist ferries, but I'm not sure they go to Malcesine.
EDIT: Actually they do: http://www.navigazionelaghi.it/ita/g_tariffe_1.asp

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Wow, thanks for that too. Narrow road, is there a safe place were to stop and take some photos?
Not in the road itself. Best option is park before (there's a small parking right where the old road overpasses the new one) and go on foot. Then you can get back in the car and go through the tunnel.
The tunnel itself is so narrow that is controlled by traffic lights, only one direction at a time. Maybe you can take picture while waiting for the green light.

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Limone del Garda is a must see. Tremosine is also nice, more for the views of the lake than for the town itself.
Avoid Campione, it's an open air Baustelle. They're transforming the place in a tourist resort, but right now it's just a ghost town.

Malcesine and Monte Baldo cable car are very close to Torbole, so even going the west shore it's not a long detour.

Maybe an option to get to Malcesine is to park somewhere west and go by ferry east, then back, don't know about them though...

Mmm not sure. I know in Limone there are tourist ferries, but I'm not sure they go to Malcesine.
EDIT: Actually they do: http://www.navigazionelaghi.it/ita/g_tariffe_1.asp
Ok, Limone, thanks for that

I think the ferry could be an option, it should take 20 minutes to Malcesine, by car from Torbele kind of the same thing, but no driving, just enjoying the landscapes, I will see.

I also read about the spectacular views from Tremosine, but I have troubles to find the exact panorama spots. For example, this pictures is very nice, I've also seen some from higher.


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The road from just before the tunnel seems pretty narrow and steep.

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Not in the road itself. Best option is park before (there's a small parking right where the old road overpasses the new one) and go on foot. Then you can get back in the car and go through the tunnel.
The tunnel itself is so narrow that is controlled by traffic lights, only one direction at a time. Maybe you can take picture while waiting for the green light.
I guess you mean this place: http://goo.gl/maps/e7QCV
Nice view from the overpass

Near the tunnel I found these possible stops:
http://goo.gl/maps/2HpCY or http://goo.gl/maps/Pc8a4
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Ok, Limone, thanks for that

I think the ferry could be an option, it should take 20 minutes to Malcesine, by car from Torbele kind of the same thing, but no driving, just enjoying the landscapes, I will see.

I also read about the spectacular views from Tremosine, but I have troubles to find the exact panorama spots. For example, this pictures is very nice, I've also seen some from higher.
I took these pics in Tremosine while doing a trekking-eating event last summer:
https://plus.google.com/photos/10001...809?banner=pwa

I remember some view similar to the pic you posted but can't remember exactly where...


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The road from just before the tunnel seems pretty narrow and steep.
It is indeed, but it's absolutely amazing. The road is one-lane but two-way, passing places are quite frequent though.


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I guess you mean this place: http://goo.gl/maps/e7QCV
Nice view from the overpass
Mmm no, I meant this place:
http://goo.gl/maps/bZBT3

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Near the tunnel I found these possible stops:
http://goo.gl/maps/2HpCY or http://goo.gl/maps/Pc8a4
Them too, but those are already past the tunnel if you come from the east.
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Them too, but those are already past the tunnel if you come from the east.
I know, I was thinking to walk through the tunnel back.
Or is it forbidden or dangerous?
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I know, I was thinking to walk through the tunnel back.
Or is it forbidden or dangerous?
Not only it's not forbidden, but there's a nice walkpath on the side of the road and there are sidewalks inside the tunnel itself.

Another set of pictures I took, showing the road, the sidewalk and the tunnel:
https://plus.google.com/photos/10001...CP-M342mhNPHWg

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