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Old March 2nd, 2014, 12:15 PM   #6881
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I have reserved accommodation in Sirmione, 3 km from the historic center.
I came up with these 2 plans:

1. West: http://goo.gl/maps/CNYx4
2. East: http://goo.gl/maps/rTIww -I could take the ferry from Malcesine to Limone and drive from there acording to the route.

Option 1 seems nicer, my only concern is it would get late when I reach Malcesine and I could miss the cable car and the great views from up there. Also I still have to drive to Ingolstadt, so maybe I should ditch some of the stops...
If Malcesine and Monte Baldo cable car are a priority, then go east...

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EDIT: One more thing, which way is better coming from Gubbio to Assisi?
Google Maps gives 2: http://goo.gl/maps/HexeZ or http://goo.gl/maps/tg88b
My GPS gives me the second although it seems longer and slower?
Second one is longer but on better roads. I'd go with the first one, since the second one brings you unnecessarily near Perugia (traffic jams and so on)
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Old March 2nd, 2014, 12:21 PM   #6882
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Actually it really is in the city, but around 3-4 km from the entry to the historic center
You know what I meant
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Old March 3rd, 2014, 03:15 PM   #6883
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Uh uh, another thing. From Urbino to Assisi I noticed your route uses the Furlo tunnel bypass on SP3 here. I really suggest you don't use the tunnel but drive the old road instead. You'll pass through one of the oldest - probably THE oldest - road tunnel in the world still in service, built by Romans in 76 AD :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furlo_Pass
Unfortunately I didn't realize that old Furlo road is closed since last December due to a landslide:



I already MP'ed cinxxx so that he doesn't miss the thread.
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Old March 3rd, 2014, 11:16 PM   #6884
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What a shame. This winter really ****ed up a lot of roads in Italy.
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Old March 4th, 2014, 07:39 PM   #6885
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Tight space? Normal parking space!
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Old March 6th, 2014, 09:48 AM   #6886
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East Rome, today the first A24 collector opens
New ramp will allow to exit from A24 and enter GRA towards Tiburtina


The wait is over at last. Starting today, "ramp A" of A24-GRA connection will open for traffic. This new ramp, overpassing GRA with a viaduct, will let vehicles coming from the city centre/East Tangenziale to hasten the exit from A24 and enter GRA direction Tiburtina/Firenze, without interfering with normal flux of vehicles going to East Rome toll barrier.
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Old March 6th, 2014, 11:34 AM   #6887
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Status update for A1 "Variante di Valico", November 2013 (compared to previous update, September 2013):

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La Quercia-Badia Nuova 5A 100% 100% ok
La Quercia-Badia Nuova 5B 75.6% 66.1% -9.5%
La Quercia-Badia Nuova 6-7 74.6% 78.2% +3.6%
Badia Nuova-Aglio Galleria di Base 9-10-11 94.6% 94.9% +0.3%
Badia Nuova-Aglio (12 e svincolo Barberino) 100% 100% ok
Aglio-Barberino 13 96.6% 96.7% +0.1%

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Old March 6th, 2014, 11:36 AM   #6888
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Status update for A1 "Variante di Valico", December 2013 (compared to previous update, August 2013):
In Part 5B they went 9.5 % behind! how can this be possible?
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Old March 6th, 2014, 11:38 AM   #6889
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In Part 5B they went 9.5 % behind! how can this be possible?
I don't know. They're never gonna finish this...

EDIT: Lot 5b covers part of the infamous Val di Sambro tunnel, the one that triggered Ripoli landslide...

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Old March 6th, 2014, 11:46 AM   #6890
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A bridge collapsed maybe?
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Old March 6th, 2014, 11:49 AM   #6891
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Old March 6th, 2014, 01:35 PM   #6892
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In Part 5B they went 9.5 % behind! how can this be possible?
Maybe they were ordered to do extra work to prevent a further landslide along that stretch and the completion % metric now includes that extra work as well as the original work.

The Variante is being constructed along a geotechnically demanding stretch which has everything from earthquakes to gas problems underground to major changes in soil and rock as you cross the mountains. And they must keep the original motorway moving.
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Old March 6th, 2014, 02:13 PM   #6893
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The Variante is being constructed along a geotechnically demanding stretch which has everything from earthquakes to gas problems underground to major changes in soil and rock as you cross the mountains. And they must keep the original motorway moving.
This is a new alignment, so keeping the original motorway moving is not a problem.

I just want to point out the fact that the original planned opening for VaV was 2003
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Old March 6th, 2014, 03:43 PM   #6894
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For the last five years or so, it has been due to open "in two years".
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Old March 6th, 2014, 05:16 PM   #6895
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What will happen with the old motorway route when the new one will be completed?
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What will happen with the old motorway route when the new one will be completed?
Nothing significant, it will still be in service - although I want to see whoever is going to choose that route when VaV is available.

The last section Barberino-Aglio of the old motorway will be converted in northbound carriageway of the new motorway (4 lanes + emergency). The southbound carriageway (3 lanes + emergency) is entirely new.
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Old March 6th, 2014, 09:14 PM   #6897
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Nothing significant, it will still be in service - although I want to see whoever is going to choose that route when VaV is available.

The last section Barberino-Aglio of the old motorway will be converted in northbound carriageway of the new motorway (4 lanes + emergency). The southbound carriageway (3 lanes + emergency) is entirely new.
Is there any plans to give a new road number for this former part of motrway A1? I mean, it`ll SS, or SR*** road?
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And will the old section continue to be tolled?
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Is there any plans to give a new road number for this former part of motrway A1? I mean, it`ll SS, or SR*** road?
Former part of A1? No parts of current A1 are going to be downgraded. Only a small part of A1 near Sasso Marconi has already been downgraded when first part of Variante di Valico opened for traffic some years ago.

My guess is that current A1 will retain its designation while Variante will be called A1var or something similar.

And yes, both will be tolled.
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While I was writing those statistics, new ones came out from Autostrade per l'Italia:
http://www.autostrade.it/documents/1...sletter-38.pdf

This time they are updated at January 15th:

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La Quercia-Badia Nuova 5A 100% 100% ok
La Quercia-Badia Nuova 5B 66.1% 69.1% +3%
La Quercia-Badia Nuova 6-7 78.2% 79.7% +1.5%
Badia Nuova-Aglio Galleria di Base 9-10-11 94.9% 95.0% +0.1%
Badia Nuova-Aglio (12 e svincolo Barberino) 100% 100% ok
Aglio-Barberino 13 96.7% 97.4% +0.7%
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