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Old April 27th, 2014, 12:33 AM   #6981
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Some pictures from my recent trip to Italy (and San Marino)...

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Entering Italy from San Marino at GualdiccioloTorello

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Old April 27th, 2014, 12:35 AM   #6982
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View from SR258 towards Lago artificiale di Montedoglio

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Secondary road towards SS3bis

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SS3bis - bad pavement


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Old April 27th, 2014, 12:37 AM   #6983
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Getting off towards Assisi

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Back on SS75

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Old April 27th, 2014, 04:05 PM   #6984
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Old April 27th, 2014, 04:08 PM   #6985
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SP12


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Beautiful view from SP12 towards Orvieto


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Old April 27th, 2014, 04:49 PM   #6986
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Old April 27th, 2014, 10:44 PM   #6987
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The last set of pictures. Weather was unfortunately bad on Easter Monday...

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The A22 seen from Chiusa/Klausen

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Old April 28th, 2014, 12:48 AM   #6988
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Beautiful view from SP12 towards Orvieto


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Just a note: SP*** roads are provincial roads and each of our 110 provinces has its own numbering scheme. So, SP12 alone, without saying in which province it is, has no meaning, it can be anywhere in Italy.
SS*** and SR*** roads, instead, are unique.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 01:01 AM   #6989
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Thanks about that, didn't know
SP12 is in Umbria, Terni province, bewteen Civita di Bognaregio and Orvieto.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 11:12 AM   #6990
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Just a note: SP*** roads are provincial roads and each of our 110 provinces has its own numbering scheme. So, SP12 alone, without saying in which province it is, has no meaning, it can be anywhere in Italy.
SS*** and SR*** roads, instead, are unique.
SR*** are regional roads, so each region should have their own too.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 12:48 PM   #6991
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SR*** are regional roads, so each region should have their own too.
Virtually all SR roads are former SS road that kept their original numbers. Afaik, only Veneto issued SR roads from scratch.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 03:29 PM   #6992
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Virtually all SR roads are former SS road that kept their original numbers. Afaik, only Veneto issued SR roads from scratch.
It's something of a mess: some regions have no SR roads, some regions do but mantain SS denomination, some others renumbered them so that technically there could be two or more roads in Italy with the same SR denomination (I don't know if there actually are).
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Old April 28th, 2014, 03:57 PM   #6993
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Italy needs a serious renumbering plan for its non-autostrade roads.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 04:02 PM   #6994
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Tender for construction of Autostrada del Molise (A1-A14 link in southern Italy) will be awarded within the year. According to Autostrade del Molise SpA, promoter of the project, the first stretch to be built will be Campobasso - Cantalupo del Sannio (~30 km).
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Old April 28th, 2014, 04:06 PM   #6995
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Italy needs a serious renumbering plan for its non-autostrade roads.
it definately does.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 05:45 PM   #6996
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Not only for its non-autostrade, I might say. There was a hint, somewhere last year, on the Italian forum that a rationalisation of the autostrade might be forthcoming. I'm not sure about its status. But once you are engaging in renumbering autostrade, wouldn't it make sense to also tackle non-autostrade and make it one big numbering system? It would resolve an issue that many European countries have to deal with: the non-motorways with the lowest numbers have generally lost their importance because they now service corridors much better serviced by motorways, while the non-motorways that truly supplement the motorway system tend to have much higher numbers.

I could imagine a system in which the first 100 routes are made up out of the autostrade, the raccordi autostradale, the superstrade and the most important single carriageway statali (the latter categories of course carrying a different prefix). The statali not part of this core network would have three-digit numbers.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 06:02 PM   #6997
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They old Strada Statale system was fine. I don't understand why roads have to be renumbered after they are transferred to another administrative division. France also destroyed its fine route national numbering system because of the decentralization. Why can't a regional government maintain a road with a national route number? It shouldn't matter for motorists who owns the route #1 or #999.
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Old April 28th, 2014, 06:11 PM   #6998
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In a country were there are still signs pointing to A2, which has been non-existent for 25 years, this discussion is sadly moot.
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A complete road-numbering revision would be awesome, but I don't think it will work much.

There are some roads that simply cannot change number, such as Aurelia (SS1), Flaminia (SS3), Salaria (SS4), Tiburtina (SR5), Appia (SS7), Emilia (SS9), Adriatica (SS16), Abetone e Brennero (SS12), Jonica (SS17), Padana inferiore and superiore (SS10 and 11) and so on.

I cannot imagine other numbers for those. As well as some highways, like A1.


What I would really be happy to get rid of are the many "var/dir/bus/ter/quater" that I feel really useless.
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They old Strada Statale system was fine. I don't understand why roads have to be renumbered after they are transferred to another administrative division. France also destroyed its fine route national numbering system because of the decentralization. Why can't a regional government maintain a road with a national route number? It shouldn't matter for motorists who owns the route #1 or #999.
Actually in Italy most roads didn't change their numbers after being downgraded from national to provincial or regional.
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