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Old July 28th, 2014, 03:16 PM   #7221
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I did. I will repeat what I said again.

Around 300-350km of the A3 is completed modern motorway. some 100-150km is not completed modern motorway but some of that 100-150km is under construction.

Pretty well the whole road from Naples to Reggio di Calabria, as it was in 1980, had to be reconstructed even if only to add missing hard shoulders to 2+2 sections.

Some sections of the Autostrada were even 1+1 with no hard shoulders and with dreadful alignments.
Driving on Salerno-Reggio you do not wonder why they built it substandard in the 60', but how they managed to build it back then. I venture to say nothing alike existed at the time in the european continent. Probably nowhere in the world.

Yes it was made in an old-fashoned way. But it was made. Today we are more used to highways in strange places, but A3 still remains a very impressive feat of engineering
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Old July 28th, 2014, 05:16 PM   #7222
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Santa Maria di Pozzano tunnel opened (two weeks ago) on SS145

Santa Maria di Pozzano road tunnel (3,3km) , carrying the new alignment of SS145 between Castellamare di Stabbia and Vico Equense, was opened July 14th.

Groundbreaking was in 1979.

This new tunnel combines with another nearby tunnel to form a long shortcut compared to the beautiful, but slow, road along the nearby cliffs and under the town of Vico Equense. This other tunnel had been opened for a while.

Here you can see (Google SV) the point where this new tunnel begins within the old tunnel and here you can see its east portal.

Notice also the neat one-lane tunnel that carries traffic coming from the old road out of the way of westbound traffic.

Sorrento and the towns along the Amalfi road nearby are sought-after touristic destinations, and there is also a lot of commuter traffic on the Sorrentina peninsula.


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Old July 28th, 2014, 05:45 PM   #7223
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Sorry, is my understanding right, this tunnel was built 35 years?
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Old July 28th, 2014, 06:08 PM   #7224
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Sorry, is my understanding right, this tunnel was built 35 years?
My sources state that groundbreaking was in 2005. Only the idea was born in 1979.
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Old July 28th, 2014, 07:06 PM   #7225
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They started geological probes in 1979 AFAIK.

That is the "groundbreaking" of a tunnel, at least for me.
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Old July 28th, 2014, 07:40 PM   #7226
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It seems odd, since the tender was awarded in 2002.
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Old July 28th, 2014, 08:04 PM   #7227
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They started geological probes in 1979 AFAIK.

That is the "groundbreaking" of a tunnel, at least for me.
So the Channel Tunnel is 180 years old...
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Old July 28th, 2014, 09:24 PM   #7228
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They started geological probes in 1979 AFAIK.

That is the "groundbreaking" of a tunnel, at least for me.
Geological probes are part of the process of designing a project, not construction.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 12:13 AM   #7229
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Okay, if we are talking about the process of setting the digging the definitive bore(s), then it started 11 years ago.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 04:11 PM   #7230
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Billboard installed by Autostrade per L'Italia S.p.A. (the company who manages the A4 Milan - Brescia) to discourage drivers using the new A35. http://www.ecodibergamo.it/stories/C...gi_1069383_11/
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Old July 29th, 2014, 06:29 PM   #7231
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Who in his right mind would use A35 to go to Milano Est toll barrier?
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Old July 29th, 2014, 06:34 PM   #7232
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Nobody, so it's a bit unfair comparison.

However, they have a valid point with the high tolls on A35.

If I understand correctly, the tolled segment ends at Castrezzato. € 12.40 for less than 45 km is *far* too high. That translates to over € 0.27 per kilometer, which is approximately 3 times the common toll rate on Italian motorways. You can charge that on short urban toll routes, but not on longer routes because it will create a substantial loss of demand, and less relief on local roads.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 06:41 PM   #7233
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The 12.40€ figure is a mistake, the correct fare should be around 10.50€... A51, from BreBeMi to Milano Est, is free.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 07:12 PM   #7234
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"Mistake", mhmm...
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Who in his right mind would use A35 to go to Milano Est toll barrier?
The definition Milano Est is ambiguous and misleading here: for Autostrade per L'Italia, Milano Est means the Milano Est toll barrier, while for many people Milano Est is the eastern outskirt of Milan (Segrate, Linate, Melegnano,...). From Brescia Ovest to Milano Est toll barrier, A4 is obviously shorter and faster (in absence of huge jams on A4). But from Brescia to the south-eastern outskirt of Milan, A35 is shorter and faster.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 09:11 PM   #7236
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A18 Siracusa-Gela

New viaduct to across the railway line near Rosolini's junction

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Old July 29th, 2014, 09:45 PM   #7237
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The 12.40€ figure is a mistake, the correct fare should be around 10.50€... A51, from BreBeMi to Milano Est, is free.
No, there's a toll barrier were You have to pay €1.90. So €12.40 is correct.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 12:15 PM   #7238
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Passante nord of Bologna (A14-A1) will likely begin construction soon. Every party involved (Autostrade, Ministry, all municipalities but two) reached an agreement and next September the project will have to be submitted and receive Environmental impact assessment.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 01:16 PM   #7239
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I received an answer by the concessionaire: they're making me pay 9.80€, trusting my own statement about my travel path, not the full 79€ of the longest motorway stretch possible.
What is the longest stretch possible in Italy going from Alte Stazione to Alte Stazione? The longest I have done a number of times in Italy is from Brenner to Naples and vv. In France the longest I can remember is from Reims to Geneva. Would have been Paris-Bordeaux if it wasn't for the fact that there is a toll plaza in the way at Tours...
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Old July 30th, 2014, 01:47 PM   #7240
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I think it could be Brenner-Taranto, not sure.
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