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Old August 26th, 2014, 11:51 AM   #7381
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Maybe, but you want to go north, not west - right?
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Old August 26th, 2014, 12:07 PM   #7382
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Is there an alternative from Rome towards Brennero, other then A1-Firenze-Bologna-Verona-A22, that won't be to much slower or tiring?
I see some alternatives, but due to the fact that I will have to drive all the way to Ingolstadt the same day, I wouldn't want to make it much worse. It would be the first Saturday from October.

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What about alternative from Firenze to Rome? It would be the last Monday from September.
Not many.
Firenze-Siena 2+2, Siena-Grosseto partly 2+2 partly 1+1, Grosseto-Tarquinia, Tarquinia-Civitavecchia on 1+1 with roadworks, Civitavecchia-Rome on motorway.

For the going back you could go through Switzerland: Rome-Civitavecchia-Grosseto-La Spezia-Parma-Milano-Como-Bellinzona-Chur-Bregenz and so on.
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Old August 26th, 2014, 12:10 PM   #7383
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That's a hell of a long way round when going to Ingolstad....
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Old August 26th, 2014, 12:12 PM   #7384
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That's a hell of a long way round when going to Ingolstad....
180 km more.

EDIT: The shortest alternative would be Rome-Orte on motorway, Orte-Cesena with E45 (all 2x2 expressway), then back on motorway in Cesena. 40 km longer than the shortest route.
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Old August 26th, 2014, 12:18 PM   #7385
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To cut a long story short: best stick with A1 and Brenner.
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Old August 26th, 2014, 01:10 PM   #7386
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I drove some parts of the SS3bis between San Marino and Ponterio. It was mostly a relaxed drive. Only potholes were annoying, made me drive long times on the second lane, that being better. They also caused a truck in front to skid between the 2 lanes, scared the hell out of us, since I was just before overtaking it.
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Old August 26th, 2014, 01:33 PM   #7387
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Is there an alternative from Rome towards Brennero, other then A1-Firenze-Bologna-Verona-A22, that won't be to much slower or tiring?
I see some alternatives, but due to the fact that I will have to drive all the way to Ingolstadt the same day, I wouldn't want to make it much worse. It would be the first Saturday from October.

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What about alternative from Firenze to Rome? It would be the last Monday from September.

Sorry. Are you delivering or travelling for leisure? With a car you could try the oldest road ever used between Italy and Germany.

SS/SP 42.

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Old August 27th, 2014, 01:08 AM   #7388
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A1 Bologna-Firenze time-laps video

Nice video posted by Astey Highways

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Old August 27th, 2014, 02:09 AM   #7389
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I have noticed some tunnels which are U/C .What is the reasson for constructing those tunnels.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 02:17 AM   #7390
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I have noticed some tunnels which are U/C .What is the reasson for constructing those tunnels.
They are building a new highway carriageway there. The project is called Variante di Valico


Source: Comune di Castiglione del Pepoli

Green = current alignment
Orange = widening in-situ
Yellow = new alignment
Grey = decomissioned
Red = local connections

The current road will remain opened for traffic, drivers will be able to choose between new and old routes where they diverge (though I expect they will ban trucks and buses from one of them).
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Old August 27th, 2014, 02:50 AM   #7391
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They would probably ban trucks and busses on old A1 section.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 11:09 AM   #7392
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They would probably ban trucks and busses on old A1 section.
Trucks and busses should be banned on old A1 section.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 02:24 PM   #7393
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But they probably won't be banned. There is no reason for a truck or a bus to stay on the old, steep, road. The only reasons would be: leisure (why should I prohibit a tourist bus to travel on a beautiful road?) or necessity (not all of the actual exits are also on the new road) or costs (I'll hope that the cost for one or the other would be the same).
There will be a "natural" distribution on the two roads.
The only reason for introducing a prohibition can be that the road isn't safe for high loads, because the old structures aren't fit anymore.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 03:39 PM   #7394
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Trucks carrying dangerous goods should be forced to use the old motorway since it has less tunnels. Toll will likely be the same because when you leave the motorway they will know only where you entered and not which road you took.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 07:00 PM   #7395
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Of course.
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Maybe Autostrade per l'Italia will use some advance management system, with electronic panels diverting flows when traffic is heavy.

Heavy traffic on A1 between Firenze and Bologna is hardly unidirectional, yet I wonder if they are designing the new carriageways such that they can be operated in both directions. So if for some reason there is heavy traffic just in one direction at key Black Saturday days, they can use both new carriageways southbound.
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Old August 27th, 2014, 11:38 PM   #7397
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Stunning how little you see on the current alignment of the works for the new alignment. Maybe only 2 kms during all those 80 between Florence and Bologna seem affected. What's the current planning of the opening of the Variante by the way? I'm afraid I lost track of the delays announced to the planning.
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Stunning how little you see on the current alignment of the works for the new alignment. Maybe only 2 kms during all those 80 between Florence and Bologna seem affected. What's the current planning of the opening of the Variante by the way? I'm afraid I lost track of the delays announced to the planning.
It will open in 2015, I don't know which month. Initially it was scheduled to open in 2013 but they had serious hydro-geological problems with a landslide that risks to sweep away the village of Ripoli. Several parts of the Variante di Valico are already completed but it's a highway that need to be open all together.
I remember that works were clearly visible from A1 even in 2009.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 10:04 AM   #7399
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I remember that works were clearly visible from A1 even in 2009.
Actually they were quite advanced on some parts - it looked to me it could be finished in three years at most.
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Large part of the works are in tunnels... you can't see them from outside...
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