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Old August 28th, 2014, 10:30 AM   #7401
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I'm aware of that very well. However it is common that works on complicated tunnels are started sooner so that they usually end approximately together with works on viaducts and road works.
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Old August 28th, 2014, 11:47 AM   #7402
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Works on the tunnels here stopped several times and for long periods due to landslides (Val di Sambro and Sparvo tunnels) and administrative problems (Valico tunnel), so they're way behind schedule.
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Old August 29th, 2014, 04:43 PM   #7403
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Do they sell the Austrian vignette at fuel stations along A22 in Italy?
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Old August 29th, 2014, 05:01 PM   #7404
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Do they sell the Austrian vignette at fuel stations along A22 in Italy?
I never travelled the Brenner northbound (from where I live Tarvisio is more convenient for trips to most of Austria and Germany), but since they sell them at rest areas on A23, I guess they sell them also on A22. They sell them inside the shop, not at the gas station.
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Old August 29th, 2014, 06:22 PM   #7405
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Do they sell the Austrian vignette at fuel stations along A22 in Italy?
If I remember correctly only at the last rest area just before the border. I tried once at the previous one but they didn't have it.
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Old August 29th, 2014, 09:28 PM   #7406
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A22 northbound


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doesn't look like they sell the vignette
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Old August 29th, 2014, 09:31 PM   #7407
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Old August 29th, 2014, 11:24 PM   #7408
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Not every place that sells vignettes is marked with a sign. I believe that A and SLO vignettes can be even purchased in Gonars (A4-A23 junction), that is quite far away from both borders and there is no sign outside. Vignette signs appear shortly before border crossings to warn motorist to purchase it.
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Old August 30th, 2014, 12:06 AM   #7409
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I never travelled the Brenner northbound (from where I live Tarvisio is more convenient for trips to most of Austria and Germany), but since they sell them at rest areas on A23, I guess they sell them also on A22. They sell them inside the shop, not at the gas station.
Isarco Est! The sell them. But you can also buy them on austrian A13 because, this section doesn't need a Vignete!
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Old August 30th, 2014, 01:30 AM   #7410
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You can buy a Austrian vignette from any service are from Verona onwards...
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Old August 30th, 2014, 04:15 PM   #7411
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The cabinet on Friday approved sweeping measures to revamp Italy's judicial, political and economic systems, including the government's so-called 'Unblock Italy': projects across the country regarding motorways, train network, airports, metro lines, and so on.

Among big motorway projects:
* Orte - Mestre (ie Rome-Venice)
* Livorno (near Pisa) - Civitavecchia (near Rome)
* Marche region - Umbria region quadrangle



map show some significative projects
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Old August 30th, 2014, 04:28 PM   #7412
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On that map

Blue: projects that had been already financed on the previous iteration of "Sblocca Italia"

Yellow: new projects that also got financing on this iteration
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Old August 30th, 2014, 05:08 PM   #7413
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The cabinet on Friday approved sweeping measures to revamp Italy's judicial, political and economic systems, including the government's so-called 'Unblock Italy': projects across the country regarding motorways, train network, airports, metro lines, and so on.

Among big motorway projects:
* Orte - Mestre (ie Rome-Venice)
* Livorno (near Pisa) - Civitavecchia (near Rome)
* Marche region - Umbria region quadrangle



map show some significative projects
It also includes the following projects:
- Lioni-Grottaminarda expressway (Basilicata region)
- Rho-Monza expressway (Lombardy region, north of Milan)
- Extension of A31 motorway till A22 near Trento
- Bologna outer bypass
- Motorway link between A22 and A13 (Emilia-Romagna region)
- Refurbishment "Teresina" national road (Campania region)
- Termoli - San Vittore motorway (A1-A14 connection between Lazio and Molise)
- Genoa outer bypass
- 3rd lane A4 Venice-Trieste
- Refurbishment of SS129 and SS131 in Sardinia
- SS652 "Fondo Valle Sangro" (Abruzzo region)
- New junction of Laureana Borrello on A3 (Calabria region)
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old August 30th, 2014, 08:54 PM   #7414
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Quadrilatero Marche is wrong. E78 has nothing to do with it.
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Old August 31st, 2014, 02:16 AM   #7415
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To make it clear:

This is the "Quadrilatero Marche-Umbria": blue parts are already open, the whole thing will be completed by 2017 (the northernmost section, that doesn't appear in the map, joins A14 at Falconara and it's already open).


This is the E78 Grosseto-Fano. The following stretches are currently open:
- Grosseto - Civitella Marittima (SS223)
- Orgia - Siena (SS223)
- Siena - Sinalunga(A1) (SS715)
- Sinalunga - Monte San Savino (it will use the existing A1 motorway)
- Monte San Savino - Ripa dell'Olmo (SS680)
- Urbino - Fano(A14) (SS73bis)
Unfortunately missing links are only in planning stage and it isn't clear when and if works will start.
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Old September 1st, 2014, 03:34 PM   #7416
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Matteo Renzi launch new government website about reforms passodopopasso.italia.it
Here the map of current projects "Unblock Italy".

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Old September 1st, 2014, 06:11 PM   #7417
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Usual propaganda. I want to see works, not maps.
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Old September 1st, 2014, 06:22 PM   #7418
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That's not very nice...
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Old September 1st, 2014, 06:41 PM   #7419
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My remark or the map?
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Old September 1st, 2014, 06:48 PM   #7420
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The map looks fine. It looks like the Italians got their buckets and shuffles ready
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