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Old October 16th, 2014, 11:03 PM   #7541
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I don't notice the difference between west and east of Palmanova, I would be interesting to see the numbers. Anyone has them?
huh, there is significant difference. not that much in PKW traffic, but number of lorries significantly increase after Palmanova.
i went to Pordenone 2 days ago and after Palmanova cars can drive only in left lane; right one is completely occupied by lorries doing 80 km/h (constant speed, on tempomat).

also, i had problems at Lisert paying the toll because weight scale was obviously discalibrated for 2€ coins
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Old October 17th, 2014, 02:58 AM   #7542
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huh, there is significant difference. not that much in PKW traffic, but number of lorries significantly increase after Palmanova.
Big amount of trucks joins from A23? I find that hard to believe. I really don't think there's much difference between Palmanova-Porpetto and Palmanova-Villesse. There's also no big difference between Villesse-Palmanova and Villesse-Monfalcone ovest. True, almost everyone coming from A34 goes to Venice (and almost no one to Trieste), but then again, A34 is pretty much empty compared to A4. The A4 is busy until the end (Sistiana). RA13 is a little less busy then.

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A4 is very bussy all the way from beginning to the ene.Just watch the google earth images and you'll see.
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Old October 17th, 2014, 12:50 PM   #7544
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No it's not. It's really busy between Milan and Verona, but between Verona and Venice and between Milan and Turin it's not so bad...
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Old October 17th, 2014, 02:14 PM   #7545
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Sorry, but the Verona-Venice stretch is quite busy, very busy in the Padova-Venice section. Venice-Palmanova has to be enlarged to 3 lanes, else it will blast! Queues are "order-of-the-day".
Milan-Turin is also quite busy, and the section nearest to Milano and Turin are "very busy".
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Old October 17th, 2014, 03:56 PM   #7546
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Milan Turin i use regularly it not busy at all.
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Old October 17th, 2014, 05:27 PM   #7547
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So,you guys are saying that part between Milano and Torino is not so bussy.Well,those are 2 big industrial cities,so i don't understand.
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Old October 17th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #7548
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And the people of those two cities are more than likely staying in their cities. Go figure...
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Old October 17th, 2014, 06:59 PM   #7549
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Big amount of trucks joins from A23? I find that hard to believe. I really don't think there's much difference between Palmanova-Porpetto and Palmanova-Villesse. There's also no big difference between Villesse-Palmanova and Villesse-Monfalcone ovest. True, almost everyone coming from A34 goes to Venice (and almost no one to Trieste), but then again, A34 is pretty much empty compared to A4. The A4 is busy until the end (Sistiana). RA13 is a little less busy then.
well it is something like that. i don't know why tough because neither i would say that plenty of truck traffic joins from A23.

about Milano - Torino - it really surprised me when i drove there for the first time (last year), it has much much lighter traffic than east of Milano. true, i drove it only from Milano to A26, but that section should be one of those more congested.
and for Bergamo - Verona I wouldn't say that it is much more congested than Verona - Padova.
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Old October 17th, 2014, 07:08 PM   #7550
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Obviously the A21 provides a good alternative going from Turin to Verona. It has 2x2 lanes and fairly quiet, but you end up being stuck behind overtaking lorries all the time.
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Is overtaking for trucks forbidden on A1 between Florence and Bologna?
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No.
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So you can easily get stucked behind the truck which is overtaking on that curvy motorway.
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Pretty much. There might be a ban in the daytime, I don't remember but at night I get stuck behind lorries all the time.
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Old October 18th, 2014, 01:35 AM   #7555
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I think that the problem is much bigger during the summer season.
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Old October 18th, 2014, 11:35 AM   #7556
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So,you guys are saying that part between Milano and Torino is not so bussy.Well,those are 2 big industrial cities,so i don't understand.

Way less industrial than 40 years ago. Particularly for heavy industry. The motorway have beem widened. Commuters can use the HSR from city center to city center. Around 40 minutes for 140 km right now.
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Old October 20th, 2014, 12:21 AM   #7557
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Updates Tangenziale Est Esterna di Milano
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Old October 20th, 2014, 12:30 AM   #7558
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It looks like that there's still a lot of work to do (at least on this bridge, I don't know about other sections). Who knows if it will be ready for next June?
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Old October 20th, 2014, 03:21 AM   #7559
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Is there any plans to upgrade the A10/E80 from the french border towards Genova?
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Old October 20th, 2014, 09:27 AM   #7560
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Under European law of 2006, many tunnels longer than 500 m should receive some structural work. I know there's a plan for that, but I don't know if it is or will be put into place.
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