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Old October 30th, 2014, 05:23 PM   #7661
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Usually statistics collected by the national statistical agencies use the same methodology within the EU, otherwise it would be difficult to compare countries.

But the registration of those statistics may be poor. In fact, it was even criticized in the Netherlands (mainly the number of injuries).
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Old October 30th, 2014, 05:31 PM   #7662
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I think that you can see more people wearing helmets in Italy,then in Greece for example.
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Old October 30th, 2014, 05:44 PM   #7663
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Rome, October 30 - The government's so-called Unblock Italy decree has passed to the Senate after winning definitive approval in the Lower House on Thursday. The decree aims to free up billions of euros in funding for infrastructure projects, including new highways, railways, and major airport renovations, and help the economy. It cleared the House with 278 votes in favour, 161 against and 7 abstentions. The measure needs to win final approval before it times out on November 11.

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Old October 30th, 2014, 07:18 PM   #7664
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Don't put Italy together with Greece. They don't wear helmets on scooters, for instance.

Some 10-12 years ago Italy started to enforce some basic safety measures (seat-belts, helmets) and Greece didn't quite do the same. Greece on the other hand is one of the strictest places when it comes to driving under the influence.

As for the reasons behind that low fatality rate in Italy, I agree with what has been said. Watching out and checking what the others are doing is part of italian common sense. For instance, pedestrians don't cross the streets without looking. We have rules, but they are somehow flexible and we tend to interpret them in the most convenient way for every situation. And quite often people help each other instead of sticking to the rules.

Plus, speeding is severely punished. And we have speed checks quite everywhere.

I still remember a short trip to Stockholm a few years back. My wife had to attend a conference on the Saturday so I went exploring the city on my own. A few weeks after a minor accident I overwalked and my left knee was hurting. I begun crossing a broad avenue and a guy at the far end stopped at the pedestrian crossing. I waved him to go "it'll take bloody ages before I limp there! Feel free to go"

No way. He waited for me
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Old October 30th, 2014, 07:41 PM   #7665
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I still remember a short trip to Stockholm a few years back. My wife had to attend a conference on the Saturday so I went exploring the city on my own. A few weeks after a minor accident I overwalked and my left knee was hurting. I begun crossing a broad avenue and a guy at the far end stopped at the pedestrian crossing. I waved him to go "it'll take bloody ages before I limp there! Feel free to go"

No way. He waited for me
You already said that:

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Old October 31st, 2014, 02:00 AM   #7666
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I think that you can see more people wearing helmets in Italy,then in Greece for example.
Where I live i haven't seen a single person riding a scooter without wearing a helmet in the last -say- 10 years.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 02:04 AM   #7667
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But reckless overtaking (in two-lane roads with little visibility) is very common in Italy. And stuff such as dawdling between two lanes of a motorway without looking at your mirrors. Or driving 50 km/h on the hard shoulder with the cell phone in hand.

I'm also shocked by the Italian fatality rates. Maybe you have another criteria to count road victims, such as not including the dead 24 hours after the accident, or not including accidents on the way to work.
No, 30 days.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 11:16 AM   #7668
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Only 50 m left to dig for the second Frejus tunnel. Next 17 November the tunnel will be fully dug: it is expected to be opened in 2019. It will be the longest double bore tunnel in Europe.

http://www.lastampa.it/2014/10/31/cr...sL/pagina.html (in Italian)
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Old October 31st, 2014, 11:20 AM   #7669
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Is that the A32 final tunnel?

T4?

I didn't know they were going to bore the second tunnel.

I'm a bit sad though: my beloved Gran Sasso will loose it's primacy.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 11:33 AM   #7670
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Yep, it's that one.
Works were started in 2011.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 01:07 PM   #7671
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Only 50 m left to dig for the second Frejus tunnel. Next 17 November the tunnel will be fully dug: it is expected to be opened in 2019. It will be the longest double bore tunnel in Europe.

http://www.lastampa.it/2014/10/31/cr...sL/pagina.html (in Italian)
The Fehmarnbelt tunnel, connecting Germany with Denmark, planned to open in 2021, will be 17,6km long.
I read in the Norweigian thread that they're going to build a double bore tunnel more than 20km long! I don't remember further details like the location and the planning opening date.
EDIT: It's the Boknafjord tunnel, between Stavanger and Bergen. It will open around 2020 and will be 26,5km long, so more than twice the Frejus tunnel! It will be also longer than the Laerdaltunnel (24,5km) that is currently the longest road tunnel in the world, although with a single tube.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 03:47 PM   #7672
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The Fehmarnbelt tunnel, connecting Germany with Denmark, planned to open in 2021, will be 17,6km long.
I read in the Norweigian thread that they're going to build a double bore tunnel more than 20km long! I don't remember further details like the location and the planning opening date.
EDIT: It's the Boknafjord tunnel, between Stavanger and Bergen. It will open around 2020 and will be 26,5km long, so more than twice the Frejus tunnel! It will be also longer than the Laerdaltunnel (24,5km) that is currently the longest road tunnel in the world, although with a single tube.
Fehmarnbelt tunnel will be an immersed tunnel - not a bore tunnel.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 05:00 PM   #7673
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The new stretch near Canicattì (AG) of firs lot.


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Old October 31st, 2014, 05:05 PM   #7674
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New 1.5 km stretch opened traffic in the second 'Macrolotto' near Lagonegro (PZ)
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Old October 31st, 2014, 07:14 PM   #7675
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I didn't know they were going to bore the second tunnel.

I'm a bit sad though: my beloved Gran Sasso will loose it's primacy.
Still new Frejus bore will not be the same as original one but smaller. This is clearly evident on the picture of La Stampa news article.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 07:19 PM   #7676
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It should be 8 m wide, while the current one is 9 m. Smaller but not that much.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 07:21 PM   #7677
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Is it a new traffic tube or escape tube?
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Old October 31st, 2014, 07:25 PM   #7678
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Is it a new traffic tube or escape tube?
It was conceived as an escape tube, but it has been converted to traffic tube. 8 m is kind of a compromise between the two.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 07:34 PM   #7679
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Is it a new traffic tube or escape tube?
New traffic tube, it will carry 1 traffic lane only.

Several NGOs and some local governments opposed it on the bandwagon of "traffic will kill our valley", but people seem to forget the tunnel carries less than 4000 vehicles/day on average.
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Old October 31st, 2014, 07:47 PM   #7680
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New traffic tube, it will carry 1 traffic lane only.

Several NGOs and some local governments opposed it on the bandwagon of "traffic will kill our valley", but people seem to forget the tunnel carries less than 4000 vehicles/day on average.
At 40€ per transit, I bet this figures won't increase much.
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