daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Highways & Autobahns

Highways & Autobahns All about automobility



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old November 2nd, 2014, 03:52 PM   #7701
brick84
Registered User
 
brick84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 40,828

Highway A19 Palermo-Catania

viaduct near Enna





by Bill Dutfield on Flickr
__________________
"Sicilia rovina d'Italia e del forum" (cit.)


"Quello che facciamo per noi stessi,muore con noi quello che facciamo per gli altri e per il mondo rimane, ed e’ immortale" - Albert Pine.

Ponte sullo Stretto di Messina - Prima parte
Ponte sullo Stretto di Messina - Seconda parte
brick84 no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old November 5th, 2014, 12:52 PM   #7702
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,622
Likes (Received): 19412

Pedemontana

New imagery of the western Pedemontana, dated 27 August 2014.

A8-Pedemontana


A9-Pedemontana
ChrisZwolle está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2014, 12:55 PM   #7703
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,622
Likes (Received): 19412

A4 Ticino River Bridge

2009-2014

ChrisZwolle está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2014, 12:59 PM   #7704
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,513
Likes (Received): 2120

This new Ticino bridge is something I'll never understand. The motorway was perfectly fine the way it was before: officially they moved the bridge because the wanted the HSR and the motorway to be as close as possible in order to reduce the unusable land in between... but I suspect it was built out of corruption.
g.spinoza está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2014, 02:32 PM   #7705
keber
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 9,879
Likes (Received): 1364

I believe that the bridge was pretty old now and surely it needed renovation or expansion at least. New bridge may be more expensive (that is not always) but when you consider traffic obstruction during renovation it's not that expensive anymore.
keber no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2014, 02:48 PM   #7706
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,513
Likes (Received): 2120

Quote:
Originally Posted by keber View Post
I believe that the bridge was pretty old now and surely it needed renovation or expansion at least. New bridge may be more expensive (that is not always) but when you consider traffic obstruction during renovation it's not that expensive anymore.
It needed expansion, it was 2x2 while the whole Turin-Milan A4 is being widened to 2x3. The bridge wasn't particularly old, not more than any other bridge on that stretch that's been widened on site.
g.spinoza está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2014, 03:49 PM   #7707
keber
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 9,879
Likes (Received): 1364

Wasn't there a talk of a 4+4 expansion of A4 between Milano and Novara? In that case new bridge would be absolutely necessary as on site renovation wouldn't be feasible.
keber no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2014, 03:58 PM   #7708
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,513
Likes (Received): 2120

Quote:
Originally Posted by keber View Post
Wasn't there a talk of a 4+4 expansion of A4 between Milano and Novara? In that case new bridge would be absolutely necessary as on site renovation wouldn't be feasible.
No, only between Marcallo-Mesero and Ghisolfa toll booth, 16 km total. And these aren't just talks, works are ongoing.
g.spinoza está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2014, 10:14 PM   #7709
pccvspw999
Registered User
 
pccvspw999's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Milan
Posts: 5,881
Likes (Received): 1883

Quote:
Originally Posted by g.spinoza View Post
This new Ticino bridge is something I'll never understand. The motorway was perfectly fine the way it was before: officially they moved the bridge because the wanted the HSR and the motorway to be as close as possible in order to reduce the unusable land in between... but I suspect it was built out of corruption.
All bridges have been rebuild. The old one was scrappy and not fit for 2x3 regular lanes, not considering the bridges on the Naviglio Grande.
In my opinion they should have build a 4-5km long tunnel, passing below the river and restoring a bit of the Ticino River Park to his destination. Expensive? Sure!
No, not the same should have been done with the railway. It's perfect as it is.
BTW: another reason for moving it southway from the old position was to lower the impact on the town of Bernate Ticino.
__________________

g.spinoza liked this post

Last edited by pccvspw999; November 5th, 2014 at 10:21 PM.
pccvspw999 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2014, 10:29 PM   #7710
italystf
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 6,460
Likes (Received): 2186

Quote:
Originally Posted by MichiH View Post
A59: Casnate con Bernate – Como 12 9.4km (2010 to Late 2014) – project – map
A60: Azzate Buguggiate (A8) – Cantello 12 11.6km (2010 to Late 2014) – project – map
A36: Cassano Magnago (A8) – Lomazzo (A9) 12 15km (February 2010 to >= 2014) – project – map
Quote:
Originally Posted by g.spinoza View Post
Quoted from the new motorway projects thread.
__________________
“The transponder’s personalised signal would be picked up when the car passed through an intersection, and then relayed to a central computer which would calculate the charge according to the intersection and the time of day and add it to the car’s bill” - Nobel Economics Prize winner William Vickrey, proposing a system of electronic tolling for the Washington metropolitan area, 1959
In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
italystf no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2014, 10:36 PM   #7711
g.spinoza
Lord Kelvin
 
g.spinoza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Torino
Posts: 9,513
Likes (Received): 2120

Quote:
Originally Posted by pccvspw999 View Post
All bridges have been rebuild. The old one was scrappy and not fit for 2x3 regular lanes, not considering the bridges on the Naviglio Grande.
Yes, I know that. When I said "enlarged on site" I meant that the bridges are still in the same place, not like the Ticino bridge which has been reconstructed in a different location.

Quote:
BTW: another reason for moving it southway from the old position was to lower the impact on the town of Bernate Ticino.
To me this motivation seems rather weak.
g.spinoza está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2014, 10:39 PM   #7712
ChrisZwolle
Road user
 
ChrisZwolle's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Zwolle
Posts: 43,622
Likes (Received): 19412

They also built a tunnel there, which seems a bit excessive. A noise barrier would do just fine, the nearest houses are more than 100 meters from the motorway.

ChrisZwolle está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2014, 11:23 PM   #7713
pccvspw999
Registered User
 
pccvspw999's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Milan
Posts: 5,881
Likes (Received): 1883

The alternative was to build the railroad beneath the old motorway like it was done on the rest of the stretch, but the impact was then to high. So the environmetal prescriptions for both, railway and motorway, were to be shifted.
So far the motorway bridge had to be rebuild anyway, it was decided to do so.
"Weak argument"? Probably.
"Motorway tunnel excessive"? Sure.
I'm a fan of "infrastructure improving", that means every time You have do work on an infrastructure, You shall improve it from all point of view, as far as You can. Nowadays there are not many new infrastructures to be build, but there's a lot to be enhanced. We work and live to make everything, slowly but steadily, better and more reliable. Also roads and railways.
So what has been done, fits perfectly to this, of course to less as I aimed a tunnel below river.
pccvspw999 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 5th, 2014, 11:26 PM   #7714
keber
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 9,879
Likes (Received): 1364

Funny that on Google maps we see new route and old satellite photo and on GE old route with new satellite photo.

Also on connecting SS336dir I can see numerous cut&covers even in the middle of forests. Probably the locals are quite big NIMBY's maybe therefore are such expensive objects.
keber no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 6th, 2014, 12:04 AM   #7715
Suburbanist
on the road
 
Suburbanist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: the rain capital of Europe
Posts: 27,539
Likes (Received): 21251

Quote:
Originally Posted by keber View Post
Also on connecting SS336dir I can see numerous cut&covers even in the middle of forests. Probably the locals are quite big NIMBY's maybe therefore are such expensive objects.
The toll access gate plaza and the nearby lanes are one of a kind
__________________
YIMBY - Yes, in my backyard!
Suburbanist no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 6th, 2014, 12:10 AM   #7716
italystf
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 6,460
Likes (Received): 2186

Quote:
Originally Posted by keber View Post
Also on connecting SS336dir I can see numerous cut&covers even in the middle of forests. Probably the locals are quite big NIMBY's maybe therefore are such expensive objects.
Wildlife crossings. Like on your A2 Ljubjana-HR border.
__________________
“The transponder’s personalised signal would be picked up when the car passed through an intersection, and then relayed to a central computer which would calculate the charge according to the intersection and the time of day and add it to the car’s bill” - Nobel Economics Prize winner William Vickrey, proposing a system of electronic tolling for the Washington metropolitan area, 1959
In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
italystf no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 6th, 2014, 12:51 AM   #7717
keber
Moderator
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 9,879
Likes (Received): 1364

Apparently there have to be really large hordes of animals there to justify such large number, length and density of those crossings.
keber no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 6th, 2014, 01:36 AM   #7718
Verso
Islander
 
Verso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ljubljana
Posts: 22,087
Likes (Received): 4749

Quote:
Originally Posted by Suburbanist View Post
The toll access gate plaza and the nearby lanes are one of a kind
That expressway's name is also one of a kind - Superstrada Malpensa 2000.
__________________
take a ride on slovenian highways

Blackraven liked this post
Verso no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 6th, 2014, 01:43 AM   #7719
brick84
Registered User
 
brick84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 40,828

SS 106 in Basilicata region

Over 5 km stretch of 'Variante di Nova Siri' opened today














http://www.lestradedellinformazione....98.1.12.1.html
__________________
"Sicilia rovina d'Italia e del forum" (cit.)


"Quello che facciamo per noi stessi,muore con noi quello che facciamo per gli altri e per il mondo rimane, ed e’ immortale" - Albert Pine.

Ponte sullo Stretto di Messina - Prima parte
Ponte sullo Stretto di Messina - Seconda parte
brick84 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old November 8th, 2014, 12:05 AM   #7720
brick84
Registered User
 
brick84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 40,828

Highway A3 Napoli-Reggio Calabria

'Macrolotto 6'

06/11/2014

taken by joulis
__________________
"Sicilia rovina d'Italia e del forum" (cit.)


"Quello che facciamo per noi stessi,muore con noi quello che facciamo per gli altri e per il mondo rimane, ed e’ immortale" - Albert Pine.

Ponte sullo Stretto di Messina - Prima parte
Ponte sullo Stretto di Messina - Seconda parte
brick84 no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
autobahn, autostrada, highways, italia, italy, motorways

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 09:31 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium