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Old November 26th, 2014, 07:58 PM   #7781
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Last wall of second Frejus tunnel was torn down today at 11:36 am. Photogallery on newspaper La Repubblica
I have read that second tube (or both tubes) will be ready til 2020 or year later. Is this true?
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Old November 26th, 2014, 08:14 PM   #7782
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I think the completion date for having both tubes ready is 2019.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 06:03 PM   #7783
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So that means that the old tube is going to be renovated ?
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Old November 27th, 2014, 06:10 PM   #7784
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So that means that the old tube is going to be renovated ?
I don't think so. They still have to dig and set up the 16 shelters between the two tubes, vehicular bypasses, technical stations... they also have to work on the two terminal plazas.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 06:14 PM   #7785
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I don't think so. They still have to dig and set up the 16 shelters between the two tubes, vehicular bypasses, technical stations... they also have to work on the two terminal plazas.
Thanks for the infos!
Also ,do you know maybe when A22 was completed?
I think somewhere in the 70's.

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Old November 27th, 2014, 06:43 PM   #7786
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Thanks for the infos!
Also ,do you know maybe when A22 was completed?
I think somewhere in the 70's.
According to wikipedia it was April 11 1974 (Bolzano/Bozen - Chiusa/Klausen)
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Old November 29th, 2014, 05:24 PM   #7787
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Old November 29th, 2014, 05:31 PM   #7788
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New expressway in project.


Expressway Gela-Agrigento-Castelvetrano, Sicily



'Alternativa 1 - in variante' has been chosen.


more details: http://www.stradeanas.it/index.php?/...rigento_castel
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Old November 29th, 2014, 05:32 PM   #7789
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A pic from below these twin A20 viaducts is my smartphone screen background
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Old November 29th, 2014, 05:35 PM   #7790
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Expressway Gela-Agrigento-Castelvetrano, Sicily



'Alternativa 1 - in variante' has been chosen.


more details: http://www.stradeanas.it/index.php?/...rigento_castel
Alternative 0 would be too far from the coastal towns to be used for short-distance traffic, negating part of the benefits, I think.

Alternative 2 looked the best one, but I'm glad they didn't pick a whole in-situ widening, which would yield a cramped expressway in some places.
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Old November 29th, 2014, 05:51 PM   #7791
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Honestly, i wondered for Alternative 0 and 2 (expressways cat. B 170 km long the first, 166 km long the second) to complete the "ring" with high standard routes all around Sicily.
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When we can expect completed modernisation of A3.I think that deadline is 2017.
What do you guys think ?
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Old November 29th, 2014, 06:59 PM   #7793
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When we can expect completed modernisation of A3.I think that deadline is 2017.
What do you guys think ?
I think carriageway works and tunnels will be completed by then, but some new junctions will not.
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Old November 29th, 2014, 07:01 PM   #7794
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Bear in mind that some sections, like the one just south of Cosenza, have not even been tendered yet.
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Old November 29th, 2014, 07:09 PM   #7795
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Bear in mind that some sections, like the one just south of Cosenza, have not even been tendered yet.
There is another one further north as well, but I'm confident they will finish everything by 31/12/2019.
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Old December 1st, 2014, 11:52 AM   #7796
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Next 3rd December the 1812-m-long Cesana tunnel, on SS 24 "del Monginevro", will open. The tunnel is part of the modernization of SS 24, which runs from Susa to the French border in Claviere, near Monginevro pass. Another part of these works, the Claviere tunnel (1279 m) which bypasses the town of Claviere, was opened in 2007.

The Cesana tunnel was built because that part of the road is prone to avalanches from Mont Chaberton: construction began 10 years ago and was stopped for several years because asbestos was found in the rocks inside the tunnel.

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Old December 2nd, 2014, 09:52 PM   #7797
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Old December 3rd, 2014, 01:35 PM   #7798
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Italian motorway network in 1967
Thanks for the map.

I'm relatively young, but I've read and listened some comments in Spain media about motorways development in Italy in the 60's and 70's. When Spain was poor and undeveloped with Franco Italy was a model for Mediterranean contries, building modern infraestructures and industry. They had envy about motorways.

Well, finally Spain builded it's toll motorways in 70's and 80's and with the funds of EU builded all free toll motorways during 90's until now.
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Old December 3rd, 2014, 01:57 PM   #7799
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with the help of the eu funds , i'd say
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Old December 3rd, 2014, 03:17 PM   #7800
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Thanks for the map.

I'm relatively young, but I've read and listened some comments in Spain media about motorways development in Italy in the 60's and 70's. When Spain was poor and undeveloped with Franco Italy was a model for Mediterranean contries, building modern infraestructures and industry. They had envy about motorways.

Well, finally Spain builded it's toll motorways in 70's and 80's and with the funds of EU builded all free toll motorways during 90's until now.
Actually Italy was (arguably) the first country in the world to build "motorways". The "Autostrada dei Laghi" (Milan to Varese and Como) opened in 1924 and around 500km of motorways were in exercise by 1935. Arguably and "motorways" with quotation marks because those pre-war highways had only 2 lanes, so they wouldn't be motorways today. However they were closed to non-motorized traffic, were tolled and didn't have at-grade intersections with local roads. Any highway construction stopped in 1935, after a bad economical crisis (related to the Ethiopian war) and the economical and political isolation of fascist Italy. Meanwhile, Germany opened its first 4-lanes motorways, that were the first in Europe.
The first real (4 lanes, divided) motorway in Italy opened in 1958 between Milan and Parma. Thousands of km of motorways opened in the following years, until the motorway boom slowed down in the middle 1970s due to the oil crisis. From 1975 to 1982 there was even a law that stopped all motorway constructions, unless works were already started.
Later Italy continued to build motorways but at a much more slow pace (few important routes, most notably A23, A32, A5 and A20, were opened between the 1980s and 2000s). In the very few past years there have been an increase in motorway projects, especially in Lombardy due to Expo 2015.
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