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Old January 4th, 2015, 09:49 PM   #7841
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It's not the first time that such things happen in Sicily

Viadotto Geremia II, SS626 Caltanissetta-Gela, near Butera, 2009


Viadotto Verdura, SS115 Trapani-Sitacusa, near Ribera, 2013

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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old January 4th, 2015, 10:52 PM   #7842
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Quality of construction works doesn't seem to be a high priority in Sicily. I remember when I was driving on A20 in 2009 and even on newest part expansion joints on some viaducts were so bumpy that such road would surely be closed for repairs elsewhere.
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Old January 4th, 2015, 11:25 PM   #7843
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I'm afraid this is due to La Cosa Nostra thing. Even Chinese expressways have better quality than that.
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Old January 4th, 2015, 11:45 PM   #7844
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It's painful to see how public money is wasted. It's not only matter that what has been build has to be remade, but also the waste of time and resources which nobody can refund.
It's not only "cosa nostra", it's a way of thinking and acting, it's a state of mind: "I care about nothing which isn't mine". And money and time spent for this are not "mine", so why do I care?

BECAUSE IT'S YOUR JOB, YOU SOB, TO MAKE THE QUALITY TESTS AND MAKE SURE THE ROAD IS SAFE FOR EVERYBODY BEFORE OPEN IT TO TRAFFIC!
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Old January 5th, 2015, 12:25 AM   #7845
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What is the name of a companies that build them?
I know that there is one company which is not so good in building bridges.
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Old January 5th, 2015, 10:01 AM   #7846
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What is the name of a companies that build them?
I know that there is one company which is not so good in building bridges.
It was a consortium made up by Cmc from Ravenna, Ccc from Bologna, both run by Massimo Matteucci, and Tecnis from Catania, run by Mimmo Costanzo.
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Old January 5th, 2015, 09:35 PM   #7847
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Here, in Spain is in all digital newspapers. I know that it is very dangerous thing, but now here it is the time to newspapers to compare and say that other countries also have problems.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 12:10 AM   #7848
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Quality of construction works doesn't seem to be a high priority in Sicily. I remember when I was driving on A20 in 2009 and even on newest part expansion joints on some viaducts were so bumpy that such road would surely be closed for repairs elsewhere.
Depends on where were built, by whom and which company managed.

That's not same way in the whole Sicily.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 12:17 AM   #7849
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Depends on where were built, by whom and which company managed.

That's not same way in the whole Sicily.
The new Catania - Siracusa motorway is an exception, as it had been built with very modern standards. Most highways in Sicily are bad, though.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 12:21 AM   #7850
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The new Catania - Siracusa motorway is an exception, as it had been built with very modern standards.
Other than a number to help navigation!

Why isn't this part of the A18?
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Old January 6th, 2015, 12:36 AM   #7851
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Other than a number to help navigation!

Why isn't this part of the A18?
It wasn't included in A18 because it's managed by a different company. However, many Italian motorways are managed by different companies but have the same number. Also RA15 and SS114 should be included in A18.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 01:03 PM   #7852
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The new Catania - Siracusa motorway is an exception, as it had been built with very modern standards. Most highways in Sicily are bad, though.
Most highways, especially old or those managed by 'Consorzio Autostrade Siciliane', are bad it's true. But we can't speak about collapse, that's different.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 01:05 PM   #7853
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"No collapse, only a landslide"
The manufacturer of the viaduct is defended:
Speak the president of CMC Ravenna, the consortium that was awarded the work on Pa-Ag: "There was no risk to the safety of people, the way we closed us. The damage is about 100 thousand euro . Renzi? by his tweet seemed to have come down all "




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Old January 6th, 2015, 01:31 PM   #7854
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"Only a landslide"??? Of an artificial, men-made embankment? These are made to be slide-safe!! That man is kidding! it's a joke, can't be true!
You may expect a landslide from a natural relief, but not from something you have build to be proofen safe.

I'm speechless....
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Old January 6th, 2015, 01:54 PM   #7855
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"Only a landslide"??? Of an artificial, men-made embankment? These are made to be slide-safe!! That man is kidding! it's a joke, can't be true!
You may expect a landslide from a natural relief, but not from something you have build to be proofen safe.

I'm speechless....
Ignorant people will believe and accept the fact. Those utterly fake declarations are always made to persuade masses that a problem doesn't exist, because someone has interests in denying it.

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"There was no risk to the safety of people, the way we closed us.
There was no risk? Imagine if it collapsed while it was open, it could have been a massacre. It's like saying: "The office building suddenly collapsed, but there was no risk for safety of people because it was Sunday and nobody was at work."
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Old January 6th, 2015, 02:11 PM   #7856
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Old January 6th, 2015, 03:02 PM   #7857
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Brick, the translation is impossible to understand. Don't use automatic translation please. If you need help in translating something, just ask.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 03:10 PM   #7858
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I understood totaly
Looking at last picture it seems that earth really moved under embankment however that could be easily prevented with quality works. In case of real landslide bridge would also move.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 03:42 PM   #7859
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Brick, the translation is impossible to understand. Don't use automatic translation please. If you need help in translating something, just ask.
C'mon, "have come down all" is a good translation...



Sorry for OT.
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Old January 6th, 2015, 04:06 PM   #7860
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Brick, the translation is impossible to understand. Don't use automatic translation please. If you need help in translating something, just ask.
It is easier to make in this way (Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V) when you post an article.


Anyway, no viaduct fall down; it was before and it was a landslide.
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