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Old January 13th, 2015, 07:28 PM   #7941
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I have question for you guys.I think that A3 doesn't have better pavement compared to motorways on Sicily.Am i right?
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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:16 PM   #7942
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This photo belongs 'Strage di via D'Amelio'.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:19 PM   #7943
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I have question for you guys.I think that A3 doesn't have better pavement compared to motorways on Sicily.Am i right?
No.
Now the new strechtes opened in A3 are probably the best in whole Italy.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:31 PM   #7944
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Now the new strechtes opened in A3 are probably the best in whole Italy.
they are top quality (e.g. they have drain asphalt) just like the stretches of many tolled highways in the rest of the country. A huge improvement on before.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 09:56 PM   #7945
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Something Italy did well ahead of its neighbors was to adopt better quality guard-rails and porous (draining) asphalt on highways. Driving under moderate or light rain in Italy used to be much more comfortable than in France. And the guard-rails give the feeling of being safer as well (less so for cars, probably much more so for trucks or motorbikes)
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Old January 13th, 2015, 10:46 PM   #7946
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If it wasn't for the earthquake, they wouldn't have built a motorway to Western Sicily? Aren't Trapani, Marsala and Mazara del Vallo large enough to justify a fast connection to the rest of the world?
Anyway, it's known that some weird curves of A29 were built to avoid exproprating land from mafiosi.
I think that maybe would be realised only the stretch Palermo-Castellammare-Trapani...
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Old January 13th, 2015, 10:55 PM   #7947
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Aparently, the first stretch of the "Pedemontana Veneta" expressway, will open by the end of this year. It stretches from A31 to Breganze
http://www.ilgiornaledivicenza.it/st...o_mini-tratto/
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That's unexpected. Very little information about this road come up on the media, I thought it would lag behind and be delayed.
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It's plausible, though, since works in this section started already in 2011. Since it's 5,7km, I think that the section that will open is A31 - Breganze ovest.
Yes, I confirm.
I've read that article on the newspaper.

However, I think that the first stretch that will be open are that between Thiene (A31) and Bassano, because it follow the path of Provincial Road 111 "New Gasparona" that in a one-carrageway highway with junctions...
In that stretches the work consist in build the 2nd carriageway and the modernization and adaptation of old carriageway (I've checked the works).

It's to consider that the Montecchio bypass (actual Regional Highway 246 racc, 4 km long) that have highway standard (type B of italian Highway code) will be integrated in the "Pedemontana"... This highway isn't actually connected with the A4 motorway, but there are in work the prolungation of that. It will maybe often in 2016...
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Old January 13th, 2015, 10:58 PM   #7948
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last page of italian thread about it
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...554868&page=19

(check also old pages)
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Old January 13th, 2015, 10:59 PM   #7949
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This photo belongs 'Strage di via D'Amelio'.
Correct! Thanks . Actually, this picture was together with the Capaci massacre.

In fact, they were many "Stragi" perpetrated by mafia in Sicily.
They just act like terrorists, but on a local scale.

Also, for the underpass, it wasn't a pedestrian passage as I thought in the beginning, but a small water canal, were mafiosi introduced the bombs on small wheels. Either, they weren't buildings in proximity.

In addition, here is a reconstruction of the event:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOBJ5Nxyjkg&gl=US

Withal, a change of denomination to:
A29 "autostrada dei Mafiosi" would sound even more horrible

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Old January 13th, 2015, 11:14 PM   #7950
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Withal, a change of denomination to:
A29 "autostrada dei Mafiosi" would sound even more horrible
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Old January 13th, 2015, 11:20 PM   #7951
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In fact, they were many "Stragi" perpetrated by mafia in Sicily.
They just act like terrorists, but on a local scale.
Not just on a local scale. In 1993 they detonated bombs in central Florence (5 deaths and 48 injures) and Milan (5 deaths and 12 injures) and Rome (no casualities). In those cases they didn't aim at specific targets, they wanted only to destabilize the state.
After that, this extreme violence ended, but there were rumours that it happened because a secret pact was signed between some mafiosi and politicians (i.e. We don't make bomb attacks but you close an eye on our dirty affairs).
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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:09 AM   #7952
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Valdastico Sud

I saw this map posted by ChrisZwolle a couple of weeks ago.



Guys, did anyone write here about the completion of Valdastico Sud (a31)?

The entire stretch between Vicenza and Badia Polesine (intersection with SS434 Transpolesana) has been opened in december 2014.

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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:33 AM   #7953
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Guys, did anyone write here about the completion of Valdastico Sud (a31)?

The entire stretch between Vicenza and Badia Polesine (intersection with SS434 Transpolesana) has been opened in december 2014.
Not true. The Vicenza-Badia Polesine stretch has been opened in different times over the two last years, and it's not completed yet. Two stretches are still missing: Santa Margherita-Noventa Vicentina (few weeks left) and Noventa Vicentina-Agugliaro (next May).
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Ok, my information was wrong then! Thanks for correcting
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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:36 AM   #7955
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Not very correct...
From vicenza to longare was opened in 2012, prolonged to albettone in 2013, and in 2014 were opened the stretched albettone-agugliaro and the Southern part between badia polesine (ss434) and santa margherita d'Adige... in this mounth or in february will be opened another stretch and in may will be complete
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Old January 14th, 2015, 12:44 AM   #7956
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I saw this map posted by ChrisZwolle a couple of weeks ago.



Guys, did anyone write here about the completion of Valdastico Sud (a31)?

The entire stretch between Vicenza and Badia Polesine (intersection with SS434 Transpolesana) has been opened in december 2014.
No, the central section is still U/C:
Santa Margherita d'Adige - Noventa Vicentina: it should open in May.
Noventa Vicentina - Agugliaro: it should open in the next weeks.

EDIT: Wow, two answered before me.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 02:12 AM   #7957
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The transverse expressways of Abruzzo and Molise

Regions Abruzzo and Molise have 3 transverse (sea => mountains) parallel 2x1 expressways that are most often ignored.

SS652 - Fossacesia - Castel di Sangro (this 9km gap is still missing)

SS650 - San Salvo - Isernia

SS647 - Termoli - Bojano

They are connected by A14 near the coast and by SS17 on the hinterland, parallel to the mountains. SS17 has a small gap to be closed near Isernia.

This combination forms an interesting regional network.

However, I wonder whether it would have been better to have just two fast links, one of them being a highway.

They also need to work on SS85 on Campania side, in a way that will facilitate access from A1 to Isernia and from there to other areas in those two regions with a fast road.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 08:58 PM   #7958
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I think that maybe would be realised only the stretch Palermo-Castellammare-Trapani...
Was the motorway to Trapani built because of Trapani itself, or more because of Tunisia?
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Was the motorway to Trapani built because of Trapani itself, or more because of Tunisia?
Tunisia?!?
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Isn't there a ferry between Trapani and Tunis?
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