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Old January 24th, 2015, 11:00 AM   #8001
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Is it a really big problem to change E31 (wrong E-number) to E33 ?
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Old January 24th, 2015, 11:19 AM   #8002
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This is my very personal rank, best to worst, of all trans-Apennine autostrada in Italy, considering geometry, design, subjective safety perception etc.

1. A25
2. A1 when fully completed
3. A26
4. A15
5. A25
6. A16
7. A6 (technically, it crosses the Alps)
8. A7

A6 southbound is the most fun to drive on a day with clear skies and no congestion. A25 is the most scenic.
Two A25s, no A24?

I think it's way more scenic to drive on, even if maybe with a worse geometry (more gradient and tight curves).
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Old January 24th, 2015, 02:14 PM   #8003
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A60: Azzate Buguggiate (A8) – Cantello 11.6km (2010 to 24th January 2015) – projectmap

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Only the first lot of A60 will open on that date. Azzate Buguggiate (A8) - Ponte di Vedano, 4.5 km. I have no info on the second lot.
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The section towards the Swiss border is still in planning stage AFAIK.
1st lot opened today:

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The Italian A60 opens today. It's 4,5km long and stretches between Azzate Buguggiate (A8) and Ponte di Vedano (SS712).
What's about 2nd A60 lot, is it u/c? Any estimated completion date? Will it feature 2x2 lanes up to Cantello? SS712 already exists there, will it be rededicated to A60? I guess 2nd lot has a length of 3km only!?


A59: Casnate con Bernate – Como 9.4km (2010 to Late May 2015) – projectmap

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A36: Casnate con Bernate-Como 12 9,4km (2010-2014) -project - map
Where does this section end? According to the project page there are two sections a 6km!?
Not sure actually.
Does anyone have detailed information about A59 section length and location?
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Old January 24th, 2015, 02:34 PM   #8004
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Both second lots, A59 and A60, are not financed yet.
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Old January 24th, 2015, 02:36 PM   #8005
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What's the length of first A59 lot?
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Old January 24th, 2015, 05:01 PM   #8006
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Video of A60 (both directions):



and photos the of opening ceremony (from the Italian forum):
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=3603
I didn't post them here because they're huge.
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Old January 24th, 2015, 05:21 PM   #8007
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Old January 24th, 2015, 06:46 PM   #8008
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For the record A60 is still NOT open!


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Old January 24th, 2015, 06:48 PM   #8009
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What's the length of first A59 lot?
1st lot Grandate-Acquanegra 3 km
2nd lot Acquanegra-Albese con Cassano 6 km
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Old January 25th, 2015, 03:42 AM   #8010
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Old January 25th, 2015, 02:58 PM   #8011
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[I] Italy | road infrastructure • strade e autostrade

So A60 opens to traffic today, yesterday was just inaugural ceremony
http://www3.varesenews.it/varese/ped...ca-304911.html

Makes one wonder what will happen tomorrow with the A36, just speeches or will it actually open to traffic?


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Old January 25th, 2015, 06:32 PM   #8012
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[b]What's about 2nd A60 lot, is it u/c? Any estimated completion date? Will it feature 2x2 lanes up to Cantello? SS712 already exists there, will it be rededicated to A60? I guess 2nd lot has a length of 3km only!?

Italy had an agreement with Switzerland to build a railway between Varese and Mendrisio, they did not respect it. Now they want to dump more cars on the streets of Stabio? That would be the effect of building a motorway to the border.
The 2nd lot of A60 should be considered illegal, for environmental reasons if nothing else.


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Italy had an agreement with Switzerland to build a railway between Varese and Mendrisio, they did not respect it. Now they want to dump more cars on the streets of Stabio? That would be the effect of building a motorway to the border.
The 2nd lot of A60 should be considered illegal, for environmental reasons if nothing else.


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Italy is free to build the motorway till the Swiss border, as long it passes the "VIA" (valutazione d'impatto ambientale, environmental impact assessment) like any other infrastructure. An international agreement would be necessary only to build the motorway on both sides. Switzerland could decide to build a Stabio - Mendrisio motorway in a second moment if traffic will require it (or, more probably, held a cantonal referendum for it).
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Old January 25th, 2015, 08:03 PM   #8014
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Sure, any state is free to built on its territory, still coordination is needed, otherwise there might be extreme cases like this: https://maps.google.ch/maps?ll=41.39...07.47,,0,16.62

Sure, this is an extreme case. In the case of A60, it might be lengthened until SP3 around here to keep open all possibilities.

Anyway, construction of that railway should restart in the future, and be completed with some years of delay.
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Old January 25th, 2015, 08:10 PM   #8015
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Sure, this is an extreme case. In the case of A60, it might be lengthened until SP3 around here to keep open all possibilities.
That's exactly the end of the 2nd A60 lot .
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Old January 25th, 2015, 08:23 PM   #8016
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Sure, any state is free to built on its territory, still coordination is needed, otherwise there might be extreme cases like this: https://maps.google.ch/maps?ll=41.39...07.47,,0,16.62
Or this .
In the case of A60, it would be useful to reach CH even without motorway on the other side, because there is an open border.
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Old January 25th, 2015, 09:12 PM   #8017
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Is it a really big problem to change E31 (wrong E-number) to E33 ?
Is it really a problem to leave it signed as E31, even though officially it's E33 and there's another E31 a good way further north (Rotterdam-Mannheim)?
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Old January 25th, 2015, 09:17 PM   #8018
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Nobody notices those E-numbers anyway
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Old January 25th, 2015, 09:59 PM   #8019
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That's exactly the end of the 2nd A60 lot .
No, it is planned to replace SP3 until the border: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/45.83841/8.91103

And http://www.pedemontana.com/il-proget...le-varese.html ==> Tavola Varese 1:2000 ==> the last line of the drop-down list
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Nobody notices those E-numbers anyway
That's true. Nobody use them. However it's possible to correct this mistake with a sticker at almost no cost, no need to replace the whole sign.
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