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Old January 25th, 2015, 11:22 PM   #8021
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Nobody notices those E-numbers anyway
The only one who notices them are we,road nerds
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Old January 25th, 2015, 11:40 PM   #8022
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The only one who notices them are we,road nerds
I probably wouldn't have noticed the E31\E33 thing. Even if I know all A-numbers in Italy, I know only some E-numbers. I think they should be removed from signage, they are a redundant and useless information. Only in Scandinavian countries they're actually used.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old January 25th, 2015, 11:52 PM   #8023
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Well i think that truckers are the ones who are using them the most.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 01:28 AM   #8024
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Italy is free to build the motorway till the Swiss border, as long it passes the "VIA" (valutazione d'impatto ambientale, environmental impact assessment) like any other infrastructure. An international agreement would be necessary only to build the motorway on both sides. Switzerland could decide to build a Stabio - Mendrisio motorway in a second moment if traffic will require it (or, more probably, held a cantonal referendum for it).

Of course Italy is free to build a motorway, if Italy can afford to.
Thing is section 2 of A60 would only worsen the bottleneck at the border and going in to Stabio, and although it would improve conditions theoretically coming in to Italy, as most of the traffic on that road is generated by people who work daily in Ticino, there is no way they would accept paying a toll to go to work, so the motorway just like the rest of pedemontana is destined to follow Brebemi. As it should!


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Old January 26th, 2015, 01:37 AM   #8025
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Or this .
In the case of A60, it would be useful to reach CH even without motorway on the other side, because there is an open border.

What open border? I take it you never drive through Gaggiolo!
Any minute you might save on a hypothetical motorway arriving there you lose once you arrive there. This motorway would only make sense if you agree with the Swiss on completing it all the way to the Swiss A2.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 05:49 PM   #8026
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Seeing Google Map, I see few gaps in motorways/expressways:

-A31 in North Italy, between Badia Polesine and Noventa Vicentina

-SS85 in Venafro. It appears like it is only a beltway.

- SS675 between west Vetralla and connection with SS1 in East Italy.

- SR2 between Monterosi and Vetralla. (Connection with SS1bis)

- Between interchange E78/E35 in Monte San Savino to Citta di Castello by SS221 passing by Arezzo.

- Between Perugia and Falco Marittima (SS318, SS76)
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Old January 26th, 2015, 06:05 PM   #8027
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A36 opens to traffic today:

http://online.stradeeautostrade.it/n...00015012699005

http://www.laprovinciadicomo.it/stor...sa_1101555_11/

I believe this is the first motorway in Italy with electronic toll collection? Google Earth reveals no toll plazas.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 07:04 PM   #8028
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A36 opens to traffic today:

http://online.stradeeautostrade.it/n...00015012699005

http://www.laprovinciadicomo.it/stor...sa_1101555_11/

I believe this is the first motorway in Italy with electronic toll collection? Google Earth reveals no toll plazas.
Technically it is A60, opened two days before
They're part of the same project, though.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 07:08 PM   #8029
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Seeing Google Map, I see few gaps in motorways/expressways:

-A31 in North Italy, between Badia Polesine and Noventa Vicentina
Will be completed in next weeks.

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-SS85 in Venafro. It appears like it is only a beltway.
Part of the future motorway between Termoli (A14) and San Vittore (A1).

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- Between Perugia and Falco Marittima (SS318, SS76)
In construction now. Opening in stages between 2015 and 2017.
And it's Falconara Marittima
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Old January 26th, 2015, 07:09 PM   #8030
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A60 is the bypass of Varese, right?

Oggi alle 15 apre la tratta A della Pedemontana da Cassano Magnago a Lomazzo.

I thought this was A36, from A8 (Cassano Magnago) to A9 (Lomazzo).
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Old January 26th, 2015, 07:11 PM   #8031
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A60 is the bypass of Varese, right?

Oggi alle 15 apre la tratta A della Pedemontana da Cassano Magnago a Lomazzo.

I thought this was A36, from A8 (Cassano Magnago) to A9 (Lomazzo).
Yes, today A36 opened, but few days ago A60 (tangenziale di Varese) opened, and it has electronic tolling too.

I just meant A60 is the first electronic tolled motorway in Italy, not A36.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 07:12 PM   #8032
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Ah, OK
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Old January 26th, 2015, 08:19 PM   #8033
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A36 Cassano Magnago (A8) – Lomazzo (A9) (14,3km) was opened to traffic today at 6 p.m. I expected they will open it tomorrow, since they did that with A60.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 08:26 PM   #8034
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In the Italian forum they say it is already opened in both directions.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 08:30 PM   #8035
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I read that until the end of this year toll will not be collected - so no free flow toll system is currently oeprating in Italy.
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I was wondering about that. The website is quite vague about the tolling system and toll rates.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 09:00 PM   #8037
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I just meant A60 is the first electronic tolled motorway in Italy, not A36.
How does it work, purchasing via internet?
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Old January 26th, 2015, 09:05 PM   #8038
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How does it work, purchasing via internet?
You want the truth? Nobody knows.
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In the Italian forum they say it is already opened in both directions.
I read the Italian forum. I was saying I'm surprised that it was actually opened 3 hours after the ceremony, instead of a day later like I would have expected.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 09:23 PM   #8040
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Ah sorry, I misunderstood.
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