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Old January 26th, 2015, 11:00 PM   #8041
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Up until now we've been told that A36 and A60 will be "free" for 2015.
Now however the Pedemontana website:
http://www.pedemontana.com/in-viaggi...-pedaggio.html
and politicians:
http://www3.varesenews.it/lombardia/...ne-305032.html

are saying that the motorways will be free during Expo 2015
which means that tolls will apply to these motorways from Nov 1st 2015.


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Old January 27th, 2015, 03:14 AM   #8042
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I truly hope the system is a success and that they rapidly deploy it all over the country. Italian highway exists are often notoriously complex due to the need to accommodate toll plazas.

This would also help the plans for tolls on A3. I think A3 should be tolled as soon as it is completed.
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Old January 27th, 2015, 01:37 PM   #8043
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A3 is going to be tolled once it gets completed.I only worry that less traffic will use it once it get's tolled.
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Old January 27th, 2015, 02:13 PM   #8044
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There's no such plan, yet.
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Old January 27th, 2015, 08:46 PM   #8045
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There's no such plan, yet.
Well, completion of A3 is 8 or 9 years away,so we still have to discuss about that

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Old January 27th, 2015, 09:03 PM   #8046
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Well, completion of A3 is 8 or 9 years away,so we still have to discuss abot that
...till than, you'll finish high school, university and you wll be proposed for ( Serbian ) Ministry of infrastructure...
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Old January 27th, 2015, 09:37 PM   #8047
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A1

You can see Variante di Valico in the back
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Old February 4th, 2015, 04:21 PM   #8048
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I found out that some autostrada operators don't deduce toll amounts from a credit card as soon as possible. I'm still waiting from Saturday travel from Frejus tunnel and around Torino to deduce tolls from my credit card.
Autovie Veneto, on the same day, deduced required amount at once.
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Old February 4th, 2015, 05:20 PM   #8049
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I found out that some autostrada operators don't deduce toll amounts from a credit card as soon as possible. I'm still waiting from Saturday travel from Frejus tunnel and around Torino to deduce tolls from my credit card.
Autovie Veneto, on the same day, deduced required amount at once.
I don't think there's a pattern. I travel often on A21 and sometimes they deduce toll amounts immediately, sometimes after a while...
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Old February 7th, 2015, 02:27 PM   #8050
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tough day on italian highways yesterday. Due to heavy snowfalls, trucks above 7.5 tons were banned on A1 between Parma and Firenze, while A15 Parma-La Spezia saw no restrictions and yet snowfalls...hence huge traffic jams

Truck ban on A1 between Parma and Bologna aimed at avoiding total congestion of the Bologna hub, but this affected heavily local transports in roughly 50% of northern italy.
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Old February 7th, 2015, 02:44 PM   #8051
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A21 between Piacenza and Brescia was closed for the whole morning.
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Old February 8th, 2015, 09:05 PM   #8052
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Some shots of SS16 Ravenna -> Rimini from Summer 2014.
This road is signposted as blue (toll-free) motorway. Due to poor repair of its surface, absence of hard shoulder and, maybe, frequent exits, it is limited to 50 km/h. Typical speed of moving traffic was 80 - 100 km/h.




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Old February 8th, 2015, 09:39 PM   #8053
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50 km/h for such a road is absurd and unrealistic.
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Old February 8th, 2015, 10:05 PM   #8054
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There are many, many absurd 50 km/h speed limits in Italian roads outside city limits, but I agree that this may be one of the worst cases.
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Old February 8th, 2015, 10:09 PM   #8055
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Speed should be limited to 70-80km/h.
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Old February 8th, 2015, 10:30 PM   #8056
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Why is SS16 so neglected?
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Old February 8th, 2015, 10:36 PM   #8057
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It says 110 km/h in GSV:

http://goo.gl/maps/bvxHw
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Old February 8th, 2015, 11:05 PM   #8058
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Some shots of SS16 Ravenna -> Rimini from Summer 2014. This road is signposted as blue (toll-free) motorway.
"blue motorways" are not motorways without tolls, but roads with two carriageways which have lower standards (colloquially called "superstrada/superstrade").

Toll-free motorways like A3 still have green signs, and in theory there could be tolled superstrade (there aren't now, the first should be the Pedemontana Veneta - which it seems designed like an autostrada, but with shoulders 50 cm or so narrower which prevents it to have green signs).
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Old February 9th, 2015, 01:31 AM   #8059
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[QUOTE=Coccodrillo;121333950]"blue motorways" are not motorways without tolls, but roads with two carriageways which have lower standards (colloquially called "superstrada/superstrade").

Yes, these 4-lanes-superstradas provide lower standards (rest stations, surface etc.) but they are toll-free and with heavy traffic, some examples: SS16 Ravenna-Rimini, SS3bis Terni-Cesena-Ravenna, Firenze-Pisa-Livorno, Firenze-Siena, Terni-Orte-Viterbo, 2-lines SS309 Via Romea Mestre-Ravenna, SS11 round Brescia, some roads near Roma etc. Some of them are E-routes too.
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Old February 9th, 2015, 01:45 AM   #8060
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"blue motorways" are not motorways without tolls, but roads with two carriageways which have lower standards (colloquially called "superstrada/superstrade").

Yes, these 4-lanes-superstradas provide lower standards (rest stations, surface etc.) but they are toll-free and with heavy traffic, some examples: SS16 Ravenna-Rimini, SS3bis Terni-Cesena-Ravenna, Firenze-Pisa-Livorno, Firenze-Siena, Terni-Orte-Viterbo, 2-lines SS309 Via Romea Mestre-Ravenna, SS11 round Brescia, some roads near Roma etc. Some of them are E-routes too.
Unfortunately SS309 Mestre-Ravenna is not a superstrada but a regular 2 lanes road, with at-grade junctions and a lot of traffic.
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