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Old March 20th, 2015, 09:48 AM   #8101
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It's exactly what did not happen.
Anyway, You explained what you intended to say and that's enough.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 02:32 PM   #8102
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It's exactly what did not happen.
But it did happen.

A fracturing - that's what happened to the road
under stress - the landslide beneath.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 02:42 PM   #8103
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The first free-flow portal of Italy had been installed few days ago on the recently-opened Varese bypass (A60). It's not operative yet, though.

Not different from a tutor gate
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Old March 20th, 2015, 02:54 PM   #8104
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Not different from a tutor gate
They could use the same portals for both purposes.

I consider TUTOR one of the biggest success in road transportation in Italy. It provides sane and effective speed control, contrary to fixed-point radar guns, and it greatly contributed to bring deaths and injuries in Italy to the levels of other countries, whereas before 1997 Italy had a road fatality rate much higher than other big European countries.
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Old March 20th, 2015, 05:21 PM   #8105
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Highway A18 Siracusa-Gela

works for new lots from Rosolini (SR) to Modica (RG) going on





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Old March 20th, 2015, 11:36 PM   #8106
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Wrong and Right

I got this tumblr where a guy picks up wrong traffic signs and draws the correct form

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Old March 21st, 2015, 01:26 AM   #8107
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#3 it looks like they built the roundabout after the sign, and they forget to replace it.
#4 isn't wrong, just obsolete (pre-1993 standard).
#5 looks like a private parking lot.

#1 and #2, instead, are plain wrong and have no excuse.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 12:43 PM   #8108
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#3 it looks like they built the roundabout after the sign, and they forget to replace it.
#4 isn't wrong, just obsolete (pre-1993 standard).
These signs look to be very old.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 04:17 PM   #8109
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These signs look to be very old.
#3 is post-1993 standard.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 11:12 PM   #8110
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Is there any place online where I can find those current standards?
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Old March 24th, 2015, 07:50 PM   #8111
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You can look here: http://www.normattiva.it/ricerca/semplice
It's a government site that shows all laws at the real time current standard.

For the Italian Highway code it's: DL 30 April 1992, n. 285 [DL: Decreto Legge = Law Decree]
For the Regulament of the Highway code: DPR 16 December 1992, n. 495 [DPR: Decreto Presidente Repubblica = Republic President Decree]
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Old March 25th, 2015, 01:12 AM   #8112
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update works on new lots from Rosolini to Modica


The works for the 'Mandriavecchia' tunnel (in lot 8 'Modica') started.

















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Old March 25th, 2015, 01:42 AM   #8113
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I consider TUTOR one of the biggest success in road transportation in Italy. It provides sane and effective speed control, contrary to fixed-point radar guns, and it greatly contributed to bring deaths and injuries in Italy to the levels of other countries, whereas before 1997 Italy had a road fatality rate much higher than other big European countries.
I don't buy that! Motorways are already the safest roads on so far, speed is not a problem here (maybe on steep portions only). Fixed radars controls rose massively on other roads with more fatalities. Car became more technologically modern and safe. Roads were improved. Driving culture got better. Then I believe it!
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Old March 25th, 2015, 11:45 AM   #8114
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Apparently the amount of fatalities on tutor stretches went down by 51% over a short period of time. Although some of that can be attributed to improved car safety, it is likely a result of Tutor as well. It strongly discourages excessive speeding.

I like how Tutor is used for 130 km/h stretches. The system is used in the Netherlands mostly to enforce low 80 or 100 km/h motorway speed limits.
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Old March 25th, 2015, 01:38 PM   #8115
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Driving culture got better.
Driving culture does not get better by itself. Police surveillance is often largest contributor including fixed radars.
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Old March 25th, 2015, 03:06 PM   #8116
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Car became more technologically modern and safe. Roads were improved.
That's true for the whole world, not just Italy, so you can't use this argument to explain why Italy's statistics on road fatalities improved more than that of other countries.

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No, it didn't. Driving culture declined in the last 15 years or so. I don't have numbers to support my statement but it's just something I feel, having been driving in Italy - and abroad - for 20 years now.
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I like TUTOR because it reduces the small, but dangerous and stressful, amount of drivers who are otherwise serious overspeeders (and usually know the positioning of fixed speed control device, so they only slam the brakes near them).
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Old March 25th, 2015, 10:53 PM   #8118
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The last time I was in Italy (2013) I drove in some Tutor-monitored autostrade and I noticed many drivers were still speeding. Is the system on 24/7?
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No, it didn't. Driving culture declined in the last 15 years or so. I don't have numbers to support my statement but it's just something I feel, having been driving in Italy - and abroad - for 20 years now.
Well, after the introduction of points on driving license in 2003 people became more careful and the accident rate decreased.

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The last time I was in Italy (2013) I drove in some Tutor-monitored autostrade and I noticed many drivers were still speeding. Is the system on 24/7?
It can be operative anytime, it's designed to work also with dark. However, it calculates the average speed between two points (several kilometers apart), so it doesn't affect those who speed only for short sections.
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