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Old November 28th, 2008, 05:49 PM   #801
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actually, i thought that RA17 is much crappier. you should see SS3 - then you would know how crappy italian blue motorway looks like!
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Old November 28th, 2008, 06:30 PM   #802
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Well done Verso!
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Old November 28th, 2008, 06:48 PM   #803
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Is the 40 km/h speed limit on former checks really adequate?
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Old November 28th, 2008, 07:32 PM   #804
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Grazie, ragazzi!

@PLH: 40 km/h is adequate on the border crossing by Gorizia at least, b/c the pavement is absolutely horrible, and should be repaved immediately. The continuation is ok though.

@x-type: pavement of the RA17 isn't crappy at all, it was repaved a year or two ago (it was worse before), the road itself is quite narrow though, but at least barrier between the carriageways was put all along it, before it wasn't everywhere. But I don't know why the speed limit has to be just 80 km/h, when it was 90 km/h when the pavement was worse.

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Old November 28th, 2008, 08:24 PM   #805
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actually, i thought that RA17 is much crappier. you should see SS3 - then you would know how crappy italian blue motorway looks like!
I've seen the SS33 though (continuation of A26 towards CH), absolutely horrible pavement. But neither of the roads (SS33, RA17) is neither motorway, nor expressway actually, just 4-lane roads with motorway/expressway characteristics. I wonder, if scooters are allowed on them, b/c I don't know what kind of signs are on their entrances. I came on RA17 from A4, where non-motor vehicles are banned anyway. And this was only the third time I've driven here, I always go towards Venice via Trieste.

PLH, one more thing: buildings at all those three border crossings will be removed in less than a month, so I expect a higher speed limit too. They should just repave them, now they are too winding anyway (not to mention horrible pavement by Gorizia).
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Old November 28th, 2008, 08:34 PM   #806
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Just one more thing: I find it interesting how Koper/Capodistria is written in green background (surrounded by blue background), even though there's no real/green motorway between the Trieste bypass and Koper (not even in Slovenia). I wonder why they did it like that.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 08:39 PM   #807
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Not this shit again. But you can cross this border crossing without a vignette too (but the H4 motorway/expressway is ahead).
Very nice phototrip Verso
Border with Slovenia is free passage now, yes?
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Border with Slovenia is free passage now, yes?
Thanks! Yep, it's 'free-flowing' now, except every now and then, when Italians are spying on 'exotic' license plates. (but obviously in the other direction, entering Italy)
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I've seen the SS33 though (continuation of A26 towards CH), absolutely horrible pavement. But neither of the roads (SS33, RA17) is neither motorway, nor expressway actually, just 4-lane roads with motorway/expressway characteristics. I wonder, if scooters are allowed on them, b/c I don't know what kind of signs are on their entrances. I came on RA17 from A4, where non-motor vehicles are banned anyway. And this was only the third time I've driven here, I always go towards Venice via Trieste.
SS3 is expressway (blue motorway) and pavement is horrible south from Perugia. and about scooters - remember my "giro", i saw scooters at A3 (in Napoli urban area) and at A24 (deep in Appenines, far from cities at open motorway)
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Wow, I didn't expect them on rural motorways.
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Scooters above 150 cm3 are allowed on highways/motorways here in Italy.
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Do they have a special speed limit for them? For scooters in the Netherlands it's 45 km/h, unless a lower limit is signed. That's quite low for a motorway
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45 km/h? Don't forget it's in Italy
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Scooters above 150 cm3 are allowed on highways/motorways here in Italy.
i know, but anyway i saw 50 ccm's too
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^ Yep, for example that scooter I took a photo of on the Trieste bypass (by a tunnel), was small.
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Do they have a special speed limit for them? For scooters in the Netherlands it's 45 km/h, unless a lower limit is signed. That's quite low for a motorway
The ones above 50 cm3 have the same speed limits as the normal motor bikes and cars. The smaller ones are limited to 45 km/h here too.
The fact that it's not always respected is another story...

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i know, but anyway i saw 50 ccm's too
Well, if you were in the southern part of the country it could non be considered so strange. Unfortunately...
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Around Napoli scooters are common traffic vehicle on motorway.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 09:44 PM   #819
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Well, if you were in the southern part of the country it could non be considered so strange. Unfortunately...
yeah, A3 in Napoli. but also, A24 near Gran Sasso, what is allready quite strange. and it was early in the morning
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Old November 29th, 2008, 02:07 AM   #820
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hmmm! Don't count on it too much!
Tomtom in Italy seems to work a bit like the rest of the country!!!
I was noticing though in Verso's pics that at least in some of the signs in Trieste they have abandoned the typical (and ugly IMO) Italian style of all capital letters.
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