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Old April 11th, 2015, 05:31 PM   #8181
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just describe exactly what happend ("a landslide made another bridge collapse...", for example
The bridge collapsed? It fell in/crashed? So, the bridge is not just demaged?
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Old April 11th, 2015, 05:48 PM   #8182
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No it didn't fell apart, but only because it leans on the one beneath, making that one also instable. Military pioneers have been asked to demolish the damaged bridge before it destroys also the second one, if possible.
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Old April 11th, 2015, 06:00 PM   #8183
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It may all be called "bridge failure", but there's a big difference if a bridge collapses because of a landslide or because of lack of maintenance. It's important to mention the reason.
But the bridge actually collapsed because a landslide which should have been keep under control, thing that DIDN'T happen.

It's not a new landslide. It has been there for years, and for years it pushed the pillar, and no-one cared or so it seems.
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Old April 11th, 2015, 06:32 PM   #8184
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Ok, but that doesn't mean there was something wrong with the bridge. But I see where you're getting at. Just as they should regularly maintain bridges, they should also keep known landslides under control.
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Old April 11th, 2015, 06:35 PM   #8185
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Ok, but that doesn't mean there was something wrong with the bridge. But I see where you're getting at. Just as they should regularly maintain bridges, they should also keep known landslides under control.
No, of course you're right.

Nothing was wrong with the bridge and its project (bak in the day).

It's all fault of the lack of maintenance of the surroundings of that pillar: something that must be done, though.
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Old April 11th, 2015, 06:50 PM   #8186
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BTW, I won't be surprised if, after investigation, they find out that the pillar's foundations weren't made properly in accordance to the project. But this has to be investigated, it's not a matter of fact, now.
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Old April 12th, 2015, 12:19 AM   #8187
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BTW, I won't be surprised if, after investigation, they find out that the pillar's foundations weren't made properly in accordance to the project. But this has to be investigated, it's not a matter of fact, now.
After 40 years?
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Old April 12th, 2015, 12:52 AM   #8188
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After 40 years?
Impossible is nothing.
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Old April 12th, 2015, 12:53 AM   #8189
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Yes, if the terrain analysis showed already 40 years ago the instable nature of the ground, it's possible that deeper, or different foundations may have been suggested but not executed to save money, or worse. I won't be surprised, but I don't think we will ever know.
Why any action was undertaken to save the bridge? Because of carelessness, or because the bridge was ment to withstand what was already foreseen?
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Old April 12th, 2015, 05:44 PM   #8190
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Impossible is nothing.
Yes, in accordance with italy's project laws from '70.
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Old April 13th, 2015, 01:29 PM   #8191
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An important road in Sardinia, SS 554 connecting Cagliari to the southeast side of the island, is interrupted near Quartucciu due to a landslide:



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Old April 13th, 2015, 04:11 PM   #8192
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Do they have a contingency fund for such unexpected road or bridge failures in Italy? They seem rather frequent.
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Old April 15th, 2015, 06:29 PM   #8193
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Due to this such frequent events, Mr. Pietro Ciucci (president of ANAS) has decided to resign
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Old April 15th, 2015, 10:53 PM   #8194
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Very bad news about A19: both parallel viaducts need to be completely demolished, leaving a gap between Scillato and Tremonzelli. Also the nearby SP 24 is closed due to the same event, and SS 643 and ss 120 are used as alterate route for light traffic and public buses. Heavy traffic between Palermo and Catania is rerouted on A20 and A18, that, beside the huge detour, they're tolled while A19 is free.
Trenitalia introduced faster trains between Palermo and Catania, shortening the time travel from 5h to 3h10'.
Google Maps even removed that section of motorway, since it will likely stay closed for years.
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Someone even proposed to operate commercial flights between Palermo and Catania, like they did in the 1960s when travelling overland between the two cities was very slow due to poor infrastructure, but they would probably never do that anymore.
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Old April 15th, 2015, 11:01 PM   #8195
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Head of Italy’s highway agency resigns after Sicily road collapse : http://www.euronews.com/newswires/30...road-collapse/
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Couldn't they build a new exit a km before the landslide, in order to leave only 2/3km of normal road to be driven?
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There are no local roads in that area according to Google Earth. SS 120 seems to be the only reasonable option.

SS 120 looks like this in Caltavuturo...
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Old April 16th, 2015, 12:25 AM   #8198
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There are no local roads in that area according to Google Earth. SS 120 seems to be the only reasonable option.

SS 120 looks like this in Caltavuturo...
You don't need to drive through Caltavuturo
https://www.google.it/maps/dir/Paler....5078772?hl=it
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Old April 16th, 2015, 09:32 AM   #8199
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From the map , it doesn't look much better than passing through Caltavuturo...
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2 major motorways in the south interrupted. I have never seen anything like this.
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