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Old August 5th, 2015, 11:20 PM   #8481
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New alternate road after collapsed A19 viaduct (Sicily)

The new road marked in dark red had been privately built by M5S political party to provide an alternate route after A19 between Scillato and Tremonzelli and SP24 near Scillato became unusable after a viaduct collapsed last April.
It's shorter than the previous alternate route via Polizzi Generosa.


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Old August 5th, 2015, 11:27 PM   #8482
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New lots of Highway A18 Siracusa-Gela

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Old August 5th, 2015, 11:37 PM   #8483
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The new road marked in dark red had been privately built by M5S political party to provide an alternate route after A19 between Scillato and Tremonzelli and SP24 near Scillato became unusable after a viaduct collapsed last April.
It's shorter than the previous alternate route via Polizzi Generosa.
27%? Quite a climb.
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Old August 5th, 2015, 11:49 PM   #8484
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27%? Quite a climb.
Yes, it was the main argument, besides political arguments, against this project. This also explains the motorcycle ban.
However they didn't have other options as the area is very mountainous and they enlarged and paved an existing track.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old August 6th, 2015, 12:52 PM   #8485
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Good, impressive work. I hope that south Italy will have now a better network comparable to north... If we look the progress in last 10 years it's impressive. Salerno-reggio A3 is allmost rebuilt or renoved, Sicily is completing the a18 and the Caltanisseta-Agrigento, in Puglia they have a great superstrada network (strange that we can not see it on google map... ) In calabria the ss 106 is now visible with some huge lot ending now etc, etc... The only problem is the big hole between Napoli and adriatic sea... Any news?
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Old August 6th, 2015, 01:15 PM   #8486
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The new road marked in dark red had been privately built by M5S political party to provide an alternate route after A19 between Scillato and Tremonzelli and SP24 near Scillato became unusable after a viaduct collapsed last April.
It's shorter than the previous alternate route via Polizzi Generosa.
I like how Crocetta is banned from that road . We should put the same ban for our politicians here.
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Old August 6th, 2015, 01:55 PM   #8487
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I like how Crocetta is banned from that road . We should put the same ban for our politicians here.
Below, in small, the sign says: "e a tutta la casta" ("and to the whole caste", with caste being a pejorative term for the political class).
The M5S party complained because the regional government (with Rosario Crocetta, from PD party, as president of the region) didn't do anything in 4 months after the viaduct collapsed. So, the construction of the new bypass had also a role of political demonstration.
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Old August 6th, 2015, 02:43 PM   #8488
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The political demonstration is the principal reason of its construction, I would say

It reminds me similar things Lega Nord did once when it was a 'young' party in contrast with the 'old' parties. Lega genesis has been very similar to M5S mouvement
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Old August 6th, 2015, 03:16 PM   #8489
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The political demonstration is the principal reason of its construction, I would say

It reminds me similar things Lega Nord did once when it was a 'young' party in contrast with the 'old' parties. Lega genesis has been very similar to M5S mouvement
Except that Lega always had a precise political collocation, while M5S is more an "against the old corrupt system party".
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Old August 6th, 2015, 04:01 PM   #8490
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Road built by a political party - only in Italy!
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Old August 6th, 2015, 05:07 PM   #8491
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Except that Lega always had a precise political collocation, while M5S is more an "against the old corrupt system party".
lega at the begginning of '90s hadn't a precise collocation and drawn itself as "against the old corrupt system party"

The difference is Lega was confined just in Northern Italy
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Old August 6th, 2015, 05:33 PM   #8492
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Some news from Veneto: Work on going.
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Old August 6th, 2015, 06:06 PM   #8493
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Unfortunately no roadworks are currently ongoing between San Donŕ di Piave and Villesse. At best, works between Gonars and Palmanova will start this fall. And we are waiting the 3rd lane since the 1990s.
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Old August 7th, 2015, 11:58 AM   #8494
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A1 is closed since last night near the junction with A21 due to two different accidents. It will reopen no sooner than today at 12, meanwhile a 13 km queue formed southbound.

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Some news from Veneto: Work on going.
And when they will start with these works? This year, next year?
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And when they will start with these works? This year, next year?
As already written, Gonars-Palmanova should start this fall, but that's just 5 km.
The rest, around 70 km... nobody knows
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Old August 14th, 2015, 10:22 AM   #8497
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As already written, Gonars-Palmanova should start this fall, but that's just 5 km.
The rest, around 70 km... nobody knows
That's boring ok but we see on the map that the pedemontana Veneta is on build. You can see the work on google map. The valdastico south is finished. Now they also talk to finish the valdastico north to Trento. The passante of Mestre was a dream 10 years ago, now it's a reality. The A34 to gorizia is upgraded in a real motorway... For the third line A4, i'm shure they will do it quikly, there are no difficulty to do it in this flat landscape!
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That's boring ok but we see on the map that the pedemontana Veneta is on build. You can see the work on google map. The valdastico south is finished. Now they also talk to finish the valdastico north to Trento. The passante of Mestre was a dream 10 years ago, now it's a reality. The A34 to gorizia is upgraded in a real motorway... For the third line A4, i'm shure they will do it quikly, there are no difficulty to do it in this flat landscape!
The main issue is financial.
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Old August 14th, 2015, 03:27 PM   #8499
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http://www.commissarioterzacorsia.it...e-jpg?ext=.jpg
Wait, what is this scheme about? A new motorway along the current A4?
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Old August 14th, 2015, 03:39 PM   #8500
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Wait, what is this scheme about? A new motorway along the current A4?
Third lane construction.
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