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Old December 4th, 2015, 02:27 PM   #8661
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Yes, in fact the problem of Sicilian roads is mostly quality-related, not quantity-related, although a motorway along the southern coast and a proper bypass of Palermo would help.
Before to build new road, they need a real diagnostic of the road network in this region in order to repair and maintain the exiting roads in safetly condition. Same for railways. Same for a lot of things...
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Old December 4th, 2015, 04:43 PM   #8662
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They had a couple of bridge collapses / subsidences as well. Maintenance seems to be a problem in Sicily.
One of them collapsed by a landslide, not by no maintenance. Anyway it's true.
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Old December 5th, 2015, 12:32 AM   #8663
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They had a couple of bridge collapses / subsidences as well. Maintenance seems to be a problem in Sicily.
That's exactly the point. Roads there are being built and then left alone for years and even decades. Time does its job. However there have been cases of highways built already with poor standards. The part of A20 that opened in 2004 appeared already in a poor shape just 5-7 years later.
The bridge over Simeto river on SS114 had been closed for a long time because of structural issues. I went there in summer 2009. That bridge was closed, the Catania-Siracusa motorway was still to be opened, so we had to make a long inland detour to go from Catania to Siracusa (around two hours between the two cities). Our driver tried to take a shortcut via a country road and we ended up in a barely passable road that only had some remains left of the old asphalt pavement.
Even where there aren't serious issues, most Sicilian roads look quite rundown, with bad pavement, vanishing road markings, old discoloured signs and edges full of wild weeds and garbage.
Another problem in Sicily is the lack of alternate routes in case of road closures. In many cases, the second available route between two towns is a narrow, winding and poorly-maintained mountain road, unsuitable for heavy traffic.
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Old December 5th, 2015, 04:19 PM   #8664
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That's exactly the point. Roads there are being built and then left alone for years and even decades. Time does its job. However there have been cases of highways built already with poor standards. The part of A20 that opened in 2004 appeared already in a poor shape just 5-7 years later.
The very problem is the managing body: Consorzio Autostrade Siciliane.


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The bridge over Simeto river on SS114 had been closed for a long time because of structural issues. I went there in summer 2009. That bridge was closed, the Catania-Siracusa motorway was still to be opened, so we had to make a long inland detour to go from Catania to Siracusa (around two hours between the two cities). Our driver tried to take a shortcut via a country road and we ended up in a barely passable road that only had some remains left of the old asphalt pavement.

It has been closed after over 60 years (Mussolini opened it) to be re-build with modern standards.






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Old December 5th, 2015, 11:10 PM   #8665
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A1 Variante di Valico

The Aglio - Barberino segment (6.1 km) of the Variante di Valico project (A1 Bologna - Firenze) is reported to have opened to traffic today.

If I understand the schematics, they built a new carriageway with 3 lanes for southbound traffic, and rededicated the existing autostrada with 2+2 lanes for northbound traffic.

The cost was € 262 million which seems quite high for 6 km of new carriageway, even with all the tunnels and viaducts (€ 43 million/km).

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Old December 7th, 2015, 10:28 AM   #8666
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I think this was posted before, but still is the best "overview" of Variante di Valico project. Video is 17 months old, so obviously the road, being almost finished now, is not on that state. Recently opened segment visible from 2:10


Here the schematics
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Old December 7th, 2015, 11:47 PM   #8667
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The cost was € 262 million which seems quite high for 6 km of new carriageway, even with all the tunnels and viaducts (€ 43 million/km).

Viaduct Aglio is quite expensive: 80 m high, 2 spans 77 m each and 3 spans 148 m each.
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Old December 8th, 2015, 06:27 PM   #8668
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No additional investmwnts in Sicily at all??? What the heck don't they invest in the poorest region in Italy??? Not a cent dotation??? Afraid of Etna eruption ??
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Is the Variante project now complete????
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Old December 8th, 2015, 07:26 PM   #8670
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It's not yet opened for traffic...
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Which new motorways are currently under construction?
Which new motorways will be opened next?

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Old December 8th, 2015, 09:58 PM   #8671
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No additional investmwnts in Sicily at all??? What the heck don't they invest in the poorest region in Italy??? Not a cent dotation??? Afraid of Etna eruption ??
Joking?

Sicily has a pretty decent motorway infrastructure (A18, A19, A20, A29 A29dir for a total stretch of 746km) and I don't see saturation in any of these routes.
I reckon for instance that A29 Palermo-Mazara del Vallo is one of the least busy italian highways, plus it is non-tolled.

I know they think they should get more from Rome, but what they need is better local governance and extension of tolls rather than new public investments.
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Old December 8th, 2015, 10:41 PM   #8672
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My last 5 videos about Highway A3 Salerno-Reggio Calabria taken by me on Sunday 6th December:

From Cosenza to Rogliano


From Rogliano to Altilia


From Altilia to Falerna


From the viaduct over the Randace river to Pizzo Calabro


From Pizzo Calabro to Lamezia Terme
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Old December 9th, 2015, 12:13 AM   #8673
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Joking?

Sicily has a pretty decent motorway infrastructure (A18, A19, A20, A29 A29dir for a total stretch of 746km) and I don't see saturation in any of these routes.
I reckon for instance that A29 Palermo-Mazara del Vallo is one of the least busy italian highways, plus it is non-tolled.

I know they think they should get more from Rome, but what they need is better local governance and extension of tolls rather than new public investments.
I agree.

I think the only saturation is onto Catania's Tangenziale and for this reason there's a plan for the construction of the third lane.


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No additional investmwnts in Sicily at all??? What the heck don't they invest in the poorest region in Italy??? Not a cent dotation??? Afraid of Etna eruption ??
Waiting for:

- complete of A18 Siracusa-Gela (from Modica to Gela)
- new 'Superstrada Ragusa-Catania';
- Palermo's Tangenziale
- Third lane in Catania's Tangenziale
- Gela's Tangenziale

and, new promis, upgrade of A19 Palermo-Catania:


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Old December 9th, 2015, 09:04 AM   #8674
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i wonder about Messina bridge. Etna's awoken few days ago, so what are the odds the bridge to Sicily will be built like to 2022? Unluckily they have to know about the seismical activity. Is there any progress on it since Berlusconi was put off office?
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Old December 9th, 2015, 10:07 AM   #8675
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This project had been cancelled indefinitely after the fall of Berlusconi government. It probably won't be built in this half of the century.
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Old December 9th, 2015, 10:12 AM   #8676
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Boats going on the strait till 2060??
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Old December 9th, 2015, 12:27 PM   #8677
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It's not yet opened for traffic...
Part of it was opened last 5th December, the rest *should* open before Christmas...
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The opening of Variante di Valico will be an extra incentive for me to drive south again, last visits to Italy were limited to the surroundings of Conegliano / Treviso.
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Old December 9th, 2015, 07:41 PM   #8679
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i wonder about Messina bridge. Etna's awoken few days ago, so what are the odds the bridge to Sicily will be built like to 2022? Unluckily they have to know about the seismical activity. Is there any progress on it since Berlusconi was put off office?
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Old December 10th, 2015, 03:14 PM   #8680
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MESSINA | Tangenziale - Uscita V.le Giostra / Annunziata (Futuro svincolo Ponte di Messina)

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