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Old December 30th, 2015, 06:57 PM   #8761
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Thanks .
Two questions:
- Have construction works on the Mussolente/Loria – Montebelluna section really been started in October 2014?
- Is the Montebelluna – Spresiano (A27) section already u/c or when are constructions works announced to be started?

btw: I think the indicated section lengths refer to construction lots. The A31 feeder is east of the autostrada and the section lengths Malo - Thine should be about 7km (to be opened for traffic in 2018) and Thine - Breganze West about 4km (to be opened for traffic in Mid 2016).
- I don't know when were started the works on that section, I supposed the same because it's signed on OSM... But it's very difficult to find information, also because the site with project isn't very specific about that;
- The annonuce of the begin of the works was give a lot of time in the local media, but in that part I don't know if the works are really start.
I can confirm and I've seen the work in the Vicenza Province, but about Treviso province there aren't information. There the NIMBYs are more active than here.

About the stretches between Malo and Breganze: the section from Autostrada A31 and the "New Gasparona" road (Provincial Road 111, single carriageway highway standard) have advanced works (it's also paved!)
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Old January 2nd, 2016, 02:45 AM   #8762
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Old January 3rd, 2016, 12:33 PM   #8763
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Nice video. One clarification: direction is southbound, not northbound, hence you would see "Firenze" on those panels, instead of "Bologna" as shown in the video at 0:07.
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Old January 4th, 2016, 12:21 PM   #8764
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Several toll road concessionaires had fares raised

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– Asti-Cuneo S.p.A. 0,00%
- ATIVA S.p.A. 0,03%
- Autostrade per l’Italia S.p.A. 1,09%

– Autostrada del Brennero S.p.A. 0,00%
– Autovie Venete S.p.A. 0,00%
– Brescia-Padova S.p.A. 0,00%
– Consorzio Autostrade Siciliane 0,00%
– CAV S.p.A. 0,00%; Centro Padane S.p.A. 0,00%
– Autocamionale della Cisa S.p.A. 0,00%
– Autostrada dei Fiori S.p.A. 0,00%
– Milano Serravalle Milano Tangenziali S.p.A. 0,00%
– Tangenziale di Napoli S.p.A. 0,00%
– RAV S.p.A. 0,00%
– SALT S.p.A. 0,00%
– SAT S.p.A. 0,00%
– Autostrade Meridionali (SAM) S.p.A. 0,00%
- SATAP Tronco A4 S.p.A. 6,50%
– SATAP Tronco A21 S.p.A. 0,00%
– SAV S.p.A. 0,00%
– SITAF S.p.A. 0,00%
– Torino – Savona S.p.A. 0,00%
- Strada dei Parchi S.p.A. 3,45%
– Bre.be.mi. 0,00%
- TEEM 2,10%
- Pedemontana Lombarda 1,00%
Several concessions are tangled with the government in a quagmire about the new iterations of their economic-financial plans and were not allowed to raise fares until the matter is settled. Their trade group is furious

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Ancora una volta al riconosciuto impegno del Settore autostradale italiano non è corrisposto analogo impegno da parte del Governo che ha concesso gli adeguamenti previsti contrattualmente solo a 6 società su 27.
Infatti la maggior parte dei piani finanziari delle concessionarie autostradali, scaduti tra il 2012 e il 2013, non risultano ad oggi ancora approvati da parte dei ministeri competenti nonostante siano stati presentati tempestivamente da parte dei concessionari e nonostante esistano precise indicazioni emanate dal CIPE sulla tempistica relativa.

Questo comporta, oltre ad una violazione della normativa e del contratto, gravi danni per i concessionari i quali - in mancanza di un piano approvato - non sono messi in grado di effettuare gli ulteriori investimenti previsti, minando la credibilità delle aziende e del Paese con pesanti ripercussioni sulla bancabilità dei progetti.

Ed ancora, lo scorso anno il Governo ha promosso degli accordi con la maggioranza dei concessionari autostradali finalizzati a calmierare in via provvisoria la tariffa. Le concessionarie autostradali e l' AISCAT hanno responsabilmente aderito vista la difficile congiuntura economica. Tali accordi prevedevano che, al fine di salvaguardare il principio della certezza del contratto, il Governo riconoscesse una forma di recupero del mancato incremento tariffario entro il 30 giugno 2015, termine spirato in assenza di alcuna concreta azione da parte del Ministero per dar seguito agli impegni presi.

Solo in data odierna il Ministero concedente fa sapere che il recupero avverrà all'approvazione dei suddetti Piani Economico-Finanziari con evidente aggravio di costi per l'utenza.
source: AISCAT
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Old January 5th, 2016, 10:28 PM   #8765
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Italy broke through the 10,000 kilometer mark of motorways & expressways in 2015. 87 kilometers of new autostrade opened to traffic (124 km if you include Variante di Valico as a separate autostrada), which brings the autostrade length to 7163 km at 1/1/16. I'm not entirely sure how many superstrade there opened in 2015. The 1/1/15 length was 2838 km.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 12:21 AM   #8766
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Italy broke through the 10,000 kilometer mark of motorways & expressways in 2015. 87 kilometers of new autostrade opened to traffic (124 km if you include Variante di Valico as a separate autostrada), which brings the autostrade length to 7163 km at 1/1/16. I'm not entirely sure how many superstrade there opened in 2015. The 1/1/15 length was 2838 km.
Well... VAV is a new autostrada, even different exits. Not much different from some parallel german or spanish motorways
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Old January 6th, 2016, 01:15 AM   #8767
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Italy broke through the 10,000 kilometer mark of motorways & expressways in 2015. 87 kilometers of new autostrade opened to traffic (124 km if you include Variante di Valico as a separate autostrada), which brings the autostrade length to 7163 km at 1/1/16. I'm not entirely sure how many superstrade there opened in 2015. The 1/1/15 length was 2838 km.
I counted 29km of new expressways in 2015 in MichiH's thread. Would you mind to post your list of Italian expressways? Maybe us Italian forumer can see if it's exhaustive.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 01:28 AM   #8768
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Well... VAV is a new autostrada, even different exits. Not much different from some parallel german or spanish motorways
I think the section La Quercia - Aglio (but not Aglio-Barberino, that is an upgrade of A1) should be counted as a new motorway.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 02:48 AM   #8769
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In this 10.000km, does sectors likeSS407, SS106dir, the Sopraelevata di Genova and roads similar to those ones count?
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I would personally say the Variante di Valico is one autostrada together with the old route. It functions more like a local-express system than a truly separate route. Local-express systems also have different exits, but this one is the first in mountainous terrain.

I wonder how it's going to operate during peak traffic periods. You have to turn off to follow the new alignment, but updated GPSs will likely indicate to follow the new alignment due to the shorter travel time. You'd say people won't take the old alignment until the new alignment runs into congestion.
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Old January 6th, 2016, 11:41 AM   #8771
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Old January 7th, 2016, 10:27 AM   #8772
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In this 10.000km, does sectors likeSS407, SS106dir, the Sopraelevata di Genova and roads similar to those ones count?
Well the SS407 is 2+2 but the last 30km before the connection with the SS 106 are without barrier. So the last sector cannot be count I think. The ss 106dir is a superstrada connecting the ss106 and the A14 so I would say yes. I have some doubt for the sopraelevata of Genova, ... they are also same kind of road in Trieste and Milan (Viale Renato Serra)...for me those road are comunnal urban express way... Anyway it dosent change a lot cause those sectors are short.
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Would you mind to post your list of Italian expressways? Maybe us Italian forumer can see if it's exhaustive.
A good list of italian autostrade (motorways/freeway) is here, but without extensions: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autostrade_in_Italia
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Well the SS407 is 2+2 but the last 30km before the connection with the SS 106 are without barrier. So the last sector cannot be count I think. The ss 106dir is a superstrada connecting the ss106 and the A14 so I would say yes. I have some doubt for the sopraelevata of Genova, ... they are also same kind of road in Trieste and Milan (Viale Renato Serra)...for me those road are comunnal urban express way... Anyway it dosent change a lot cause those sectors are short.
Sopraelevata di Genova, Viale Renato Serra in Milan, as well as Tangenziale Est in Rome aren't proper B-style catergory roads, so I'd say no.

They represent more D-category, "strade urbane di scorrimento": urban expressways.
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I would personally say the Variante di Valico is one autostrada together with the old route. It functions more like a local-express system than a truly separate route. Local-express systems also have different exits, but this one is the first in mountainous terrain.

I wonder how it's going to operate during peak traffic periods. You have to turn off to follow the new alignment, but updated GPSs will likely indicate to follow the new alignment due to the shorter travel time. You'd say people won't take the old alignment until the new alignment runs into congestion.
Also A14 and RA1 around Bologna are considered two separate motorways, although the second is the local-express system (or frontage road, isn't it the same?) of the first.
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Sopraelevata di Genova, Viale Renato Serra in Milan, as well as Tangenziale Est in Rome aren't proper B-style catergory roads, so I'd say no.

They represent more D-category, "strade urbane di scorrimento": urban expressways.
Some old expressways, like FIPILI and parts of SS131, belong to C-category "strade extraurbane secondarie", because they have lower standards.
SS202 in Trieste is signed as "strada extraurbana principale" (B-category), although the speed limit is just 50 all the way from the junction with the (unnumbered) motorway to Koper and the harbour.
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Yeah, I meant 2+2 roads with "B-style", because these standards have been created way after those roads have been built.
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This is one of the bridge included in the stretch opened in 2005?
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