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Old December 17th, 2008, 08:38 AM   #861
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i need this one of the border crossing
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Old December 17th, 2008, 04:40 PM   #862
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 02:05 PM   #863
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When looking at viamichelin.com, route planner sends me around Mestre/Venice on a new motorway, that is still under construction. Or is it Mestre bypass already opened?
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 03:23 PM   #864
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I think only small part connecting A4 and A27 is open so far, the rest should be opened in February.
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 03:37 PM   #865
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Actually as I found out, Mestre bypass was opened on 23rd December 2008 for transit traffic only, and official opening should be in 8th February 2009.

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passante_di_Mestre
(I hope I did understand correctly - will actually see next Saturday)
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 06:19 PM   #866
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It means that exits will be opened Feb 8th, some of them even fall 2009

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Old January 18th, 2009, 05:25 PM   #867
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Ok, I was wrong. Mestre bypass is still under construction, but loooks like very close to be finished (at least on west and east junctions to A4).

On the other hand, I drove over new 8-laned section Milano-Bergamo, and while impressive construction, pavement is in very bad condition, with even potholes appearing here and there.
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Old January 18th, 2009, 05:28 PM   #868
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One part is extremely smooth though. But I wouldn't call the pavement "very bad"; maybe "bad", considering it's new.
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Old January 18th, 2009, 05:59 PM   #869
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Half towards Venezia is in worse condition than other one. Potholes on new motorway are not acceptable anywhere, that's why "very bad".

Also, looks like that horrible accident from last August, when a truck broke through insufficient middle barrier and caused 7 death (or 8, don't remember), has some consequences. Currently, concrete new jersey barriers are being installed from Venezia-est toll station towards east.
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Old January 18th, 2009, 06:03 PM   #870
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Any pics from this 'shitty' section?

And as for barrieres - I doubt any steel barrier would stop a truck. That way all of them should be replaced to concrete ones.
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Old January 18th, 2009, 06:18 PM   #871
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Pics wouldn't show much. It looks very good, however drive is very bumpy.

I didn't take photos though. Been busy negotiating pretty reckless Milano drivers.
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Old January 18th, 2009, 06:57 PM   #872
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Really? Usually when I drove on the northern Milano bypass (A4), I was the fastest one on the overtaking lane (the leftmost of the three) with only 120 km/h. Also, on that 8-lane section Milano-Bergamo drivers are usually incredibly slow. What I don't like by it the most is that by the almost completely straight motorway, there are some to me inexplicable little curves all the time. But it looks magnificent otherwise, with all the new overpasses.
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Old January 18th, 2009, 07:14 PM   #873
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Pics wouldn't show much. It looks very good, however drive is very bumpy.
Maybe it somehow still lacs the last layer of asphalt. I know it's strange but there have been examples of that on other roads.

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there are some to me inexplicable little curves all the time.
They are probably to make the drive concentrate more on the road, which is favorable on such long straight sections.
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Old January 18th, 2009, 07:27 PM   #874
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The 8-lane motorway is only 36-km-long.
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Old January 18th, 2009, 10:44 PM   #875
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Really? Usually when I drove on the northern Milano bypass (A4), I was the fastest one on the overtaking lane (the leftmost of the three) with only 120 km/h. Also, on that 8-lane section Milano-Bergamo drivers are usually incredibly slow.
Many drivers were doing pretty strange manoeuvres, mostly suddenly changing lanes. I've almost crashed into new Porshe because of that (which then suddenly zipped into distance).

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Maybe it somehow still lacs the last layer of asphalt. I know it's strange but there have been examples of that on other roads.
Maybe, but asphalt is the same (drainage) as on other newer sections.

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They are probably to make the drive concentrate more on the road, which is favorable on such long straight sections.
Actually this motorway is one of the oldest in Italy and with repeated widenings probably some S-curves have to be added, probably to ease construction under heavy traffic.
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Old January 18th, 2009, 10:47 PM   #876
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Or concrete barriers with soil
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Old January 18th, 2009, 11:22 PM   #877
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Distinctive pine trees between Padova and Mestre on A4:


They didn't remove them even while constructing new overpass for Mestre bypass (not on picture).
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Old January 18th, 2009, 11:37 PM   #878
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so it's on Padova - Mestre! i saw photo of that tree few times allready, but i was never able to locate it precisly
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Old January 19th, 2009, 12:20 PM   #879
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Actually there are three groups of two trees, spread over about 10 km.
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Old January 19th, 2009, 06:00 PM   #880
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I don't know what you guys are talking about...I travel every week on the Milan-Bergamo highway and the state of the street is simply magnificient, asphalt included. There are curves of any significance only while entering Milan, considering it passes through one of the most densely populated area of Europe I think it's quite an achievement.

The sound barriers make it look something from space.

I have never been on a better highway anywhere in the world Slovenia included, with its brand new highways
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