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Old February 7th, 2016, 11:33 PM   #8841
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It works for me, and I normally get through quick, apart from the A4 in Milan where congestion because of these booths are the norm. Only downside of that card is that they get damaged rather quick, making them unsuitable for the machines to read.
I thought that it is only for italian people or for those who have there bancing account there....?!
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Old February 8th, 2016, 11:07 PM   #8842
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Visa and Mastercard work flawlessly for me. Maestro debit card does not work.
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Old February 8th, 2016, 11:10 PM   #8843
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Old February 9th, 2016, 02:15 PM   #8844
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Road trip through the city of SALERNO, in the Southern Italy (near Naples).



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Old February 10th, 2016, 12:45 AM   #8845
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Extension of A31 towards Trento

The project of extending A31 from its current terminus in Piovene Rocchette to A22 near Trento seems to be halted due to endless opposition from Trento provincial administration. However, they seems to agree to build that connection as a lower-standards road (maybe 1+1 or even 2+2 expressway).
http://www.ladige.it/news/cronaca/20...e-collegamento
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 01:08 PM   #8846
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Maestro is accepted too.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 02:32 PM   #8847
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Maybe it is accepted, but not about a month ago when I was on Milano Est tollgate.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 07:54 PM   #8848
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The project of extending A31 from its current terminus in Piovene Rocchette to A22 near Trento seems to be halted due to endless opposition from Trento provincial administration. However, they seems to agree to build that connection as a lower-standards road (maybe 1+1 or even 2+2 expressway).
On the "Giornale di Vicenza" (Vicenza's local newspaper), is reported that the motorway will be extended to the Regional border and than will be contiued as a tolled 2+2 highway (maybe also single carriageway with 4 lanes)
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Old February 10th, 2016, 10:26 PM   #8849
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On the "Giornale di Vicenza" (Vicenza's local newspaper), is reported that the motorway will be extended to the Regional border and than will be contiued as a tolled 2+2 highway (maybe also single carriageway with 4 lanes)
This is impossible. Such a configuration is forbidden under current laws.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 11:05 PM   #8850
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On the "Giornale di Vicenza" (Vicenza's local newspaper), is reported that the motorway will be extended to the Regional border and than will be contiued as a tolled 2+2 highway (maybe also single carriageway with 4 lanes)
Do you mean something like this?
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Old February 10th, 2016, 11:35 PM   #8851
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yes. That was built in the 60s when rules were different.
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Old February 10th, 2016, 11:41 PM   #8852
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These roads are dangerous, no wonder it is not allowed to build new ones anymore. They are especially dangerous at level crossings.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 01:23 AM   #8853
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Road construction in Italy is currently regulated by Ministerial Decree n°6792 of 5th November 2001 (issued by Ministery of Infrastructure and Transportation).

Here the full text (96 pages in Italian)
http://www.mit.gov.it/mit/mop_all.php?p_id=06126

I haven't read it entirely, but I know that new (either built from scatch or upgrades) 2+2 or more highways in Italy must be either autostrada standard (cat. A, 130kph) or strada extraurbana principale standard (cat. B, 110kph, also with median, no U-turns, at-grade intersections and driveways and restricted to motorized traffic). Beside them, only 1+1 roads can be built (cat. C).
This law thus rules out the possibility of building 2+2 roads that aren't divided, have U-turns, at-grade intersections and driveways, are open to non-motorized traffic or are narrower than the minimum width (22m, 25m for autostrade).

This is probably considered important safety-wise, as having two lanes per direction encourages speeding, but at the same time the lack of a median or the presence of U-turns, at-grade intersections, etc... is likely to cause accidents at high speeds. So they want either to build full-standard motorways or motorway-like roads or 1+1 roads not suitable for high speed, rather than something in between.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 09:50 AM   #8854
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Would it be possible to build half-profile? As a cat. C road but with bends, gradients, and overpasses sized in such a way to allow the construction of a new carriageway which would upgrade the road to cat. B or cat. A ?
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Old February 11th, 2016, 10:38 AM   #8855
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Yes of course.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 12:32 PM   #8856
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That was built in the 60s when rules were different.
Should have been straightforward to install median barriers now. In fact, I often have a feeling that some superstrade were constructed as 1x4 roads and only given a median barrier later on. Though I have never seen pictures of such a situation - it's probably just a feeling driven by the rather narrow alignment of these roads.
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I'm not sure you can just install some barriers to update old roads to modern standards. This road here near Brescia is going to be upgraded as part of the works linked to A35, but it is still untouched. I guess if they just had to install the barrier, works would already be completed. I think they have to enlarge lanes and do some more thorough works.
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Should have been straightforward to install median barriers now. In fact, I often have a feeling that some superstrade were constructed as 1x4 roads and only given a median barrier later on. Though I have never seen pictures of such a situation - it's probably just a feeling driven by the rather narrow alignment of these roads.
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I'm not sure you can just install some barriers to update old roads to modern standards. This road here near Brescia is going to be upgraded as part of the works linked to A35, but it is still untouched. I guess if they just had to install the barrier, works would already be completed. I think they have to enlarge lanes and do some more thorough works.
The present-day A34 motorway between Villesse and Gorizia was opened in the early 70s as a single-carriaggeway 4-lanes road, similar to the SS407\E847 in Basilicata. Around 2007 they installed concrete 'new jersey' barriers in the middle, to improve safety, although it was still very narrow (14m, that means that two trucks could barely overtake each other) and it was still a category C road limited to 80kph.
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Around 2007 they installed concrete 'new jersey' barriers in the middle, to improve safety, although it was still very narrow (14m, that means that two trucks could barely overtake each other)
Even overtaking a truck by car was quite claustrophobic.
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Old February 11th, 2016, 06:55 PM   #8860
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Maybe a little off-topic, but I will still ask
I will do an 8 day trip to Napoli and area last week of May.

I didn't book any accommodations yet, I have to figure out exactly what I want to do before that. Rough ideas would be 2 days in Napoli, 1 day Pompeii with Vesuvius or Herculaneum, 1 day Procida and Ischia, 1 day Capri, 2 days around Amalfi. Leaves me an unplanned day.

Do you think it's better to rent a car sometime during this trip or rely better on trains or buses?
I'm, not sure if driving around the Amalfi peninsula is better. Also not exactly sure which places to visit there and if they are remote. For Cinque Terre for example the train was great.

Or maybe you have better places to see than what I thought of
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